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Why would a 2 month rental cost more than an entire season? Waiting until the deadline won't cost them making the playoffs. If it does, the team is not worthy of the type expending the type of prospect capital to get a playoff caliber SP. Waiting until the deadline is a risk reduction strategy which makes sense given the number of question marks for this team. Why pay the cost until you know the investment makes sense given we don't need it until August / October? Now, if they decide to expand the payroll to allow the acquisition of a good SP, sign me up.
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Do the rangers get to the WS without Jordan Montgomery? I doubt it. Just saying waiting until the trade deadline is an option.
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That's a mighty optimistic set of assumptions. Even if 1,2, and 4 come true, they still could use an OFer that is great against LHP. Martin could definitely fill that role, but he is the only in house option with perhaps the exception of Anthony Prato. They gave him some games in LF so he might be an option as well. Castro / Farmer and Vazquez are locks for bench roles. Someone that can mash LHP and play 1B/LF would fit in great.
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Actually, Lewis was significantly better than Polanco and five other guys were more productive in the 2nd half. (see below). He was slightly better than Castro in the 2nd half last year so the statement that Lewis and Polanco were responsible for the 2nd half turnaround is not accurate. OPS wRC+
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It would really help to understand what they might do next if we knew how they felt about DeSclafani. If they think he is healthy and could perform like he did in 2021, they obviously want to keep him. It is possible they see him as a trade chip to get a RH bat. While trading DeSclafani would allow them to reallocate all of Polanco’s Salary, I doubt that happens. They can readdress a playoff pitcher at the deadline just as Texas did last year. Adam Duval seems like a fit until you look at his splits. He is no better against LHP. Jorge Soler mashed LHP and is above average against RHP but he is a liability in OF. He would mostly DH. Brandon Belt has been great 3 or the last 4 years. He is LH but is above average against LHP and mashes RHP. He will turn 36 but age has not slowed him down yet. The key here is can he be signed on a one year deal. I doubt it because he probably would have signed by now if he was willing to take a 1 year deal. JD Marinez hits both lefties and righties. Obviously, he is strictly a DH at this point. The biggest sticking point might be that he will turn 37 this year and is likely looking for 2-3 years after having a good year in 2023.
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I think you need put DeSclafani’s past performance in context He was injured all of 2022 and pitchers quite often don’t perform at full potential the first year back from a major injury. He produced 3 fWAR / 4.3 bWAR in 2021 and ranked 41st in terms of WAR in 2021. That’s far from a 5 and he had 4 seasons with an ERA from 3.17-4.05. I think we would be just fine in he produced an ERA of 4.00 this year. Where Varland is concerned, He might be as likely to perform as DeSclafani but starting DeSclafani and putting Varland in the pen or even starting him in STP improves the team. Varland either improves the BP or gives us much needed pitching depth.
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Assessing the Twins' Trade of Jorge Polanco
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
For starters, you are not even responding to what I posted, and this is just petty. You find an irrelevant aspect rather than focus on the metritis aspect of the trade or you don't understand the merit. I said history will support the assertion that this type of trade is how bottom half teams have succeeded. You have focused only on the major league talent, ignored, the prospects, and ignored the fact they added major league on a budget. The fact that the major league talent is older is not relevant. The relevant aspects of the strategy they employed are that they .... Traded from excess. Traded a player with two years of control who had provided a great deal of value. Received what would project to be far more total value than he could provide. (See ESPN and Fangraphs) They also got some shorter-term assets in positions of need making up for present value lost. Made room for a top prospect (Lee) Got a top 100 prospect Got another decent prospect with upside. Added SP for $4M that is the rough equivalent of SPs that signed for 3X that amount. Traded a player whose trade value was higher than keeping him because he had been replaced as a starter. This kind of creativity in acquiring major talent and getting good future value is exactly how teams in the bottom half of revenue construct a successful roster. There is none so blind as those who will not see and you just don't want to see.- 99 replies
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Thanks Mike! Good to see another objective opinion. ESPN had a similar take and now Fangraphs. This quote makes their position quite clear. "The Twins just get a straight A" and I’m giving the Mariners a standalone C- but a contingent B+. They traded a lot to get Polanco" It might dampen the negative comments here, but I doubt it will change people's minds.
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Assessing the Twins' Trade of Jorge Polanco
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Clearly, you have it figured out. The FO is incompetent. The people at ESP who gave the twins a much better grade than the mariners are also clueless. I will take solace in knowing my opinion is shared by ESPN and the front office, all of the writers who were of the opinion that trading Polanco was the obvious move for the Twins. Fangraphs has now chimed in as well. Do you want to soften your position?- 99 replies
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Assessing the Twins' Trade of Jorge Polanco
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
They can sign JD or Belt or Soler and get a better DH. They would also be playing the inferior player any game he starts over Lewis or Julien vs RHP or Farmer against LHP and they probably give up nothing with Castro vs RHP given his superior defense and base running. So, electing to play him anytime Lewis / Julien are healthy is poor management. Making room for Lee also enters into the equation but the equation favors trading him even if Lee was not in the picture. The net of it is that Polanco's salary could pay for a DH, we get a good RP with 3 years of control and a decent SP for $4M plus a top 100 prospect and another fairly decent pitching prospect. This type of roster management is by far the most effective way for a team in the bottom half of revenue to sustain success and history supports this assertion.- 99 replies
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Assessing the Twins' Trade of Jorge Polanco
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I am not sure if you are serious. They would have never traded him if this was remotely true. Lewis plays 140+ games if he is healthy. Julien starts against every RHP if he is healthy and Farmer is the better replacement against LHP. The opportunity for him to start was minimal because we lose nothing if Julien and Lewis are healthy. That's why they traded him. Several national writers said the same thing long before they traded him so are they wrong as well as the FO?- 99 replies
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Assessing the Twins' Trade of Jorge Polanco
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
You never answered my question. How many starts does Polanco get if Lewis and Julien are healthy, given Farmer is the better option against LHP? Injury depth should be considered but is depth a bigger problem in SP or 2B?- 99 replies
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Assessing the Twins' Trade of Jorge Polanco
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
How many games would Polanco have started if Julien and Lewis are healthy? Farmer is a considerably better option on both sides of the ball against LHP so if the days off for Julien are against LHP we gain by giving farmer those starts. Polanco is only the two-hole hitter of Julien or Lewis are injured. We also have Castro who had an 801 OPS vs RHP while Polanco was slightly better at .823. Of course, Castro adds better defense and base running. It's a reasonable argument to say the twins are better with Farmer than Polanco. Add a good RP and SP depth and it's reasonable to say this roster construction will yield better results, especially if they add another RH bat or SP as part of the overall plan.- 99 replies
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You have a point. There is no doubt that the best chances of winning the WS would be trade every good prospect we have. Push all the chips in and the odds of winning the WS no doubt goes up if you have the core in place where these additions push the team over the top. if we were lucky, we might get to close to level of Atlanta and LA but I doubt it. The odds of being really horrible for a very long time are considerably higher than winning the WS with this approach. Where KC is concerned. Trading for established players was a very small part of building that championship team. Shields was gone by the time they won the WS. The only piece that KC that impacted their WS win was Wade Davis and that was a very fortunate side effect of the Shields trade. By far more important trade was when they traded away a very good established player (Greinke) for prospects, Cain and Escobar. That team was good because they collected very high draft picks for several years as a result of absolutely sucking. So, to say they won the WS because they traded away top prospects is a real stretch. I watch 120 games/year. The choice between increasing the odds of winning a World Series and watching a good team vs a horrible team for a decade or two is not even remotely close for me. Fans are going to differ on this choice and that's fine, but I don't want to watch a crappy team year after year.
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So, in other words, let's ignore the facts of how teams have been successful because it does not fit your opinion of how to be successful. What you are telling me is that you are not interested in the hard evidence for what has worked for every 90 win team in the bottom half of revenue in the last 25 years. After listening to people repeatedly take your position. I wanted to know if this position held by so many would align with history / actual results. So, I took the time to gather the data to determine how successful teams in the bottom half of revenue acquired the best players on their rosters over the past 20 years. I have posted that factual information more than once but as you said here is no convincing you or anyone else with the facts when you are unwilling to accept hard evidence. I don't know if that should be labeled fanatical but it's certainly not an informed position.
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They give them whatever it takes philosophy in fanatical. The proof is very clear if you would be willing to look at how TBR and the Guardians or As have outperformed bottom half revenue teams over the past 25 years. This has become common practice for the best teams and FO people who want to keep their job manage assets based on total return as opposed to give whatever it takes to be better right now. Anyone can push chips in to be better short term. That requires very little management acumen.
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You could also argue that the combination of Farmer / Julien is more valuable than Polanco / Julien. Polanco and Farmer were not both going to be on this roster. Farmer is a far better hitter than Polanco against LHP so did they really lose anything?
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OK. Then you just disagree with the guys getting paid to make this decision. Fans focus on right now. The same type of logic was used at the 2022 deadline. We had to go for it because we are in 1st place really hurt this team right now. That team was not worthy of that type of investment and here were are in 2023 where those players that were traded would fit very nicely on this team. Putting so much weight on immediate return is a very poor asset management practice. (See Tampa Bay Rays or any finance textbook) and it's an absolutely horrible way to run a business. It's OK to have a fanatical point of view but you're going to be disappointed quite often if you expect the people responsible for the long-term health of the business to follow your basis for making decisions.
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Everyone seems to ignore Polanco was not going to be a starter on this team. Julien is the primary 2B but he will be platooned. Farmer is actually the better hitter against LHP. His wRC+ is 25 points higher than Polanco. In a back-up role at least half of the ABs should come against LHP. Framer is the better defender at 2B and by far the better defender at 3B. They also have Castro who hit RHP as well as Polanco last year. If we didn't have Lewis / Julien / Castro, I might agree losing Polanco would be a significant net loss. However, the combination of Julien / Lewis / Farmer and Castro is no worse than if Polanco was inserted given the reality Polanco is not a starter with this roster. Then, add 3 years of a solid RP and SP depth, and I think the team is better. Now, add a top 100 prospect and you have the reason why neutral parties like ESPN are grading this trade in favor of the Twins. Also, DJL44 is absolutely right about how the league is valuing pitching depth / guys like DeSclafani. He has value here or perhaps in another trade, especially given Seattle and SFG are paying most of his salary.
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The only problem is that you are ASSUMING Seatle was willing to give up the most coveted asset in baseball for something less than an absolute haul. You want the highly coveted asset very badly. Yet you assume Seattle was willing to give it up. There is no doubt the twins were to get their young pitching. It didn't happen so it's not that tough to read between the lines.
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It's pretty simple ... As much as we wanted their young pitching, they just as badly did not want to give it up. There are more options to get hitting than there are options to get good young pitching. They didn't need to give it up to get a Polanco type of player so they held their ground. As fans we often think deals that we want could have been made but the basis of our desire is the same basis for them not accepting such a trade. Also, I think the money is being a bit overlooked here. Invest that $10M we saved plus a decent RP with 3 years of control and SP depth is not bad. The overall impact on this year's team is at least neutral provided they spend the $10M. Throw in a top 100 prospect and a flyer (Bowen) and I think we did pretty decent for a guy who was not going to be a starter on this team.
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I think most people here would put a pretty high value on Walker Jenkins and he has a grand total of 56 PAs in A ball.
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