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Derek Falvey’s Pitch for Hope in Twins Territory
Woof Bronzer replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Was there a pitch in that empty corporate babble? All I heard was: Derek Falvey thinks fans are stupid.- 64 replies
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I suspect you don't have any problem with say the outcome of the Gant/Hrbek bad call game in 91....I don't either :) ABS is not 100% accurate and human umps are like 95% accurate so we're talking about incremental improvement, with a downside that I think ABS will start the path toward more and more replay and less humans - that's what has happened in every sport. I honestly don't feel that strongly about it though, I just get the sense fans think this is 100% accurate and this will end bad calls and that is just not the case. They'll just get mad at the robots now. Frankly I think many fans would be astonished to learn that the strike zone box they see on the screen isn't anything official or accurate,
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What about the bad calls that went our way throughout the season? This stuff evens out over time. If fans think ABS is going to bring their team a few more wins they are in for some severe disappointment. Fans don't want the right calls. They want the calls to benefit their team. ABS won't change that.
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Ah, moving goal posts now. Take the L, man. I didn't know RBI and OPS+ were so closely aligned until I looked it up - it's interesting, wouldn't you agree? I don't use a single stat to evaluate any player, and baseball is about entertainment for me, not math, but I do push back on the sabermetric tendency to hand wave away stats like RBI and wins. It's actually pretty incredible that for all the fancy OPS+ formulas and assumptions and normalizations, the results are fairly comparable to good old fashioned, not fancy, not perfect RBI.
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I'm just using your metric ("Look at the OPS leaders - they're all great hitters.") to evaluate the stat. Are you saying the RBI leaders on the list are not great power hitters? Which ones? Of course RBI (or any other stat) is not the end all be all stat, that's my point. But if your point is that all one needs to do to determine the worthiness of a stat is look at the leaderboard and see what the results turn up, then RBI is unquestionably a great statistic. "RBI doesn't exactly reflect my personal opinion of hitters" isn't relevant at all, sorry. Fwiw Barry Bonds is 4th all time in OPS+, so by another of your own metrics, OPS+ fails. In fact I'd say RBI and OPS+ are pretty well aligned when it comes to Mr. Bonds! Facts can be pesky, can't they?
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The writer references OPS+, not OPS, as the end all, be all stat to evaluate Wallner. Finding an obscure stat that supports your predetermined opinion, presenting it as the final answer, and ignoring all statistics to the contrary is a hallmark of the sabermetric movement . As you surely know, OPS+ takes OPS and then erases all pitcher, park, weather, etc context to speculate would happen if every at bat happened in a controlled laboratory against a robot rather than in an actual MLB game. It can give you some interesting what if data but it is not a measure of performance at all. Fwiw here's the all time top 10 RBI list: Aaron Pujols Ruth A Rod Anson Bonds Gehrig Musial Cobb Foxx All great power hitters! I'd say RBI does a pretty great job actually.
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I'd be shocked if they keep Lopez, Ryan, and Ober. Lopez is the guy I'm most convinced they are trading, simply because his contract is the highest and 2026 is going to be all about cutting costs. Given recent comments though they could trade the disgruntled duo of Ryan + Buxton instead which would cut roughly the same payroll as trading Lopez.
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I don't know about this. Ryan has showed yet again that he is not capable of handling the rigors of a full MLB season. He's a first half pitcher. This is a conundrum for a contending team - you're not going to give away the farm for a starter who won't be in your playoff rotation. Plus we have seen Joe's immaturity flare up on many occasions the last couple months, which doesn't make him evil, but he's 30 years old and still melts down after a bad call. I'd say his value isn't "ace" but rather "#4 or 5 starter". Lopez on the other hand exerted more defensive effort on one play than I've seen any Twin actually paid to play defense this year, in a meaningless game. Serious, winning organizations care about that sort of thing.
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Joe Ryan is maybe having the best season for a Twins pitcher since 2023 (Lopez and Gray). Ryan's own 2024 was probably better than this year. Does Gleeman understand that stats after the all-star break count the same as the games before it? Pretty clear by now that Ryan is a solid first half pitcher, but not one who can be counted on once the calendar flips to August.
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Assuming Rocco gets fired without an FO change. I expect the replacement will be someone...identical to Rocco. A young, hungry guy with little to no experience and therefore little leverage , someone so willing to break in as a manager that they'll agree to just do whatever Falvey directs him to do, someone willing to go along with Falvey's "sabermetrics as a philosophy not a tool" mindset, someone without the experience and equity to argue or push back on the FO when they force the manager to trot out bad veterans just so their latest trade or signing doesn't look like another dud, someone who believes in process over results, someone who would come very cheap of course, someone who understands the job here is making the Pohlads rich and not probably most importantly, someone who understands and is ok with what the job here is NOT: seriously contending for championships.
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Everyone here who says it isn't about being cheap have not provided an alternative reason What baseball benefit is there to the organization by firing scouts, if not cost savings?
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We're talking about the Twins. There's a Twins source who says it's a cost cutting move. The Twins have been cutting costs for 2 years now. And you're saying it's not about cutting costs because the Cubs did something. Think through that logic man. Seriously I can't believe the concept that the Pohlads did something to cut costs is offensive. What has this organization done since October 2023 to signal that they are interested in anything except cutting costs?
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I think we disagree on who these investors are...I don't think they will have any equity, they're basically lenders. The Pohlads will want to make them whole ASAP so they can get their precious billions from a sale. Time will tell on this, we're both just guessing. Also I think you underestimate how profitable it can be for teams to be terrible. I don't think the Rockies, As, Sox, are seriously try to compete...and the Twins failed upward into the gift ESPN TV deal, which is tens of millions of dollars they'll receive with zero correlation to how the team is doing. They could lose 120 games and still get every last cent.
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It's viewed as a cost cutting measure because a Twins source told Hayes it was a cost cutting measure.
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It was a cost cutting move. Hayes points out in his report that a reduction in pro scouting departments is becoming a "trend" in Major League Baseball, but his source described the decision as "cost-cutting measures."
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The investors are giving the Pohlads a loan to clear the $400m off their books, which was the impediment to them making the billions they feel they so richly deserve. The debt was not Twins operating debt, but rather debt from their other failing real estate businesses that they sheltered with the Twins. (Could also be stadium debt - the Pohlads hate spending their own money on anything.) So their limited partners are paying off the debt for what I'm guessing is a healthy ROI, which the Pohlads can guarantee by cutting cost and maximizing their revenue share. This is a hedge fund or private equity investment. It has nothing to do with baseball. The limited partners are investing $400m to make boatloads of money, not to win baseball games.
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The Pohlads just fired their scouting staff to save, what, a few hundred thousand dollars? In what world are they spending $30m next year? They're in cost cutting mode until their new investors are made whole. It's really not that complicated. They are much more likely, I'd even say probable, to cut $30m then spend it.
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