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We have no idea of the terms of the proposed extension which he turned down -- it may have been, and may remain, a smart business decision on his part. Given that the front office has yet to ink an extension with anyone, perhaps they are not offering fair terms yet? Or they aren't generating much long-term buy-in from the players yet? (Also, Buxton extension talks are not going to happen this offseason. There isn't really a figure that could satisfy both parties at this point in time. That's not a fault of Buxton or the Twins, it is just a reality of the situation. Teams and players just don't sign "buy low" extensions, at least not at this kind of low.)
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You've got a point about being overmatched, but service time wouldn't really be an issue. They are both pretty much guaranteed to be added to the 40-man by November, and neither one is likely to open 2019 in the majors, which would "pause" their service time clock and render any service time accrued in September 2018 mostly irrelevant.
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Looking for more details on his no-trade, I found this article from 2 years ago: "Diamondbacks Must Admit Defeat This Offseason By Trading Zack Greinke" https://www.forbes.com/sites/benberkon/2016/10/11/diamondbacks-must-admit-defeat-trade-zack-greinke/ I feel like trading Greinke might be one of those evergreen topics of discussion, regardless of likelihood.
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That's my suspicion too, although it doesn't particularly matter how Greinke felt about his time in KC and MIL. His current salary is high enough that it acts as a de facto no trade clause for a lot of teams near the luxury tax threshold. For example, per this list at Cot's, roughly 12 teams had less "tax space" in 2018 than Greinke's current annual salary: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRghSG2xROOkgctuzj56pUSP6zCxUUQ1i7LND0jnficQ0TPtIY8OhNl3AN_StqMvBCHnO_qOXKZeTbE/pubhtml Not sure how that list will look for 2018, or when/how Greinke's list of 15 teams is set, but it's possible that his no-trade blocks every non-warm-weather team that could take on his salary without too much trouble (like the Twins). The only thing I have read about the clause is that apparently Texas was not included on it last winter, which would conform with this theory (Texas is warm weather and not too close to the luxury tax threshold).
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I think fans / talk radio are quick to discuss extremes like a rebuild in reaction to factors like a poor farm system and falling short of the playoffs, but in practice most teams don't pursue those paths without stronger conditions (like the MLB roster falling apart too). Fans / talk radio seem to underrate the "middle ground" of having a decent MLB roster and being in the contention mix. Their division isn't that loaded -- there is LA, but COL and SF are flawed and SD is still rebuilding. And MIL and STL aren't that scary as wild card competitors either. I could perhaps see them re-signing Corbin, and turning around and offloading Greinke to balance the books. But that's a tricky balancing act -- Corbin might be getting an inflated contract based on this career year, and once they have a deal with Corbin, they will lose a lot of leverage in moving Greinke. And the no-trade clause could really mess with their leverage further -- 15 teams (perhaps including the Twins) might be off the table right away. If they can get nothing back but salary relief for Greinke, or even have to eat some cash, it may not be the best course of action anymore -- letting Corbin walk and keeping Greinke might be better both for their farm system (comp picks for Corbin) and for their long-term financial outlook (Greinke's remaining deal may be shorter than what Corbin gets, and maybe even cheaper in total dollars). I know people have been talking about moving Greinke, but a more realistic target for that kind of salary dump move would proably be a Mike Leake circa 2017 or AJ Burnett circa 2011 type. If I get a moment, I'll look around for some candidates.
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Greinke might be a long shot, but Scherzer is a virtual impossibility. Arguably the best pitcher in MLB, could win a 3rd consecutive Cy Young -- I can't even begin to imagine what kind of package they would demand in trade, even if they somehow decided they didn't want to pair him with a young talent like Juan Soto for the foreseeable future. (FWIW, Scherzer also earns full no-trade rights at the end of the 2019 season.)
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The Diamondbacks top 4 position players in bWAR right now are controlled for 2019 (and all but Goldschmidt for 2020 or beyond too). On the pitching side, Corbin would be a definite loss, but they've built a pretty deep staff with Greinke too -- they are right next to the Cubs for the top team ERA+ in the NL. I'd be pretty surprised if they went full rebuild right now.
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I was just cautioning that getting Greinke right now might look deceptively simple, but in fact it probably has comparable difficulty as signing Machado (especially with that no-trade clause looming). I think that's worth noting, as opposed to a plan that, say, targets a group of 4 mid-tier FA or something.
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Was Aldi last offseason? Maybe the Twins need to aim for Lunds and Byerlys this offseason. I wonder if TR still pops into Dollar General every winter, out of habit.
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I suspect they may have just told Sano privately: "don't slide" That may not play well publicly, though.
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Sounds like Morton may retire, or just return to the Astros for another year (maybe on a qualifying offer?). Seems doubtful he'd want to come here.
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Methinks Detroit is gunning for a top-3 pick next June -- they are only 1.5 games out of that spot now: http://www.tankathon.com/mlb
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Corbin is a FA this winter, and if MLBTR's $150 mil estimate is remotely correct, Arizona may be unable to retain him with or without Greinke, or may decide to let him go -- and Greinke wouldn't seem so bad of an alternative at 3/100. Pollock is going to be 31 next year and is 3 years removed from being a star, so I'm not sure he will get that much. And Goldschmidt isn't a FA until after 2019 -- seems like they could keep Greinke at least for one more year, and of course the 2 remaining years may not be too onerous by that point if they decide to keep him beyond that. FWIW, Greinke has a limited no-trade, able to block deals to 15 clubs, and if the Twins are on that, I'd guess the idea is moot as well. I like the idea in theory, but in practice these deals seem hard to actually pull off. How many good players are salary dumped by good teams? When the Phillies traded Hamels, they were pretty bad and clearly rebuilding. A competitive team may not be so eager to try that maneuver. I like the idea of investigating Greinke, but we should probably be prepared to enact a plan B instead.
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Odorizzi has started all 30 of his games this year. He has not been used as a "primary" after an opener yet.
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No, he's on the 40-man roster. Players are only eligible for minor league free agency after they've had their contracts renewed 6 times (so played in 7 pro seasons) and aren't currrently on a 40-man roster. Drafted in 2013, Stewart would not have been eligible until after the 2019 season anyway. He still could be eligible after 2019 if we remove him from the 40-man before that time (and assuming another team wouldn't claim him on waivers for their own 40-man).
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Of course, Torrez had durability that Stewart has yet to demonstrate (and may not be able to, in the modern game). Torrez was top-14 for inning pitched in the AL for 5 straight seasons, reaching as high as 6th. Without the durability, I'm not sure how valuable that performance would generally be. It might be more like Jake Odorizzi's 2017-2018 in the modern game in terms of value.
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Perhaps. Still not sure how much of that was simply due to repeating the level (3rd year at AA), plus of course rising K rates all over pro baseball. Stewart's K rate was only average this year in his 3rd go-around at AA (23.1% vs league 23.0%), and it was well below average at AAA (17.5% vs 22.0%), and of course again in MLB (13.8% vs 22.2%).
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Article: KC 8, MIN 4: OH THE HUMANITY!
Otto von Ballpark replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Definitely fun to see Astudillo, although for me it comes with a tinge of regret too -- there was absolutely an opening to see if he could have provided this team with a spark back in May/June. (Similar story with Cave, who could/should have been up when Buxton first hit the DL way back in April.)- 25 replies
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Way too many variables, and way too small of a sample, to quantify Hunter's leadership from this data. Just an example, your analysis implies we should give Hunter's leadership partial credit for Victor Martinez being +7.1 bWAR better in 2014 than in 2015, or Pujols being +3.3 bWAR better in 2012 than he was in 2013, or Verlander staying healthy in 2014 but getting hurt in 2015, or Anibal Sanchez starting +17 games for the 2013 Tigers over 2012, or Ervin Santana being +5.5 bWAR in 2008 over 2007, etc. (Beyond any defensive credit behind the pitchers, of course.) I'm open to the idea of leadership as a meaningful factor, but it's this kind of analysis and conclusions that would actually turn me the other way on the issue.
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He's in Detroit! Gardy's pitching coach again: http://m.tigers.mlb.com/roster/coaches/ Steve Liddle and Joe Vavra on that staff too...
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Pretty good results last year, but not peripherals. Busenitz had a 19% K rate in MLB last year. The Twins didn't bring back any reliever with a lower mark in 2017. Similarly, I wonder how good his Rochester performance was this year, in context. 28.7% K rate looks good, but it was below that of Anderson, Harper, and Eades at the same level. Good reliever performances like this don't seem to be predictive of much, if anything.
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