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  1. Buxton was up at 21 and it was extend him or lose him in his prime, Kepler was up earlier and they extended him, Polanco was up earlier and they extended him, Kepler was up earlier and they extended him. Same with Sano, Berrios was up earlier and they traded him (ended up paying him around 7 million total) Lopez was brought up at 22 and thus required a extension prior to his prime years and cost more. The current group of players were all up later and the Twins have them locked up at below market value for their prime years. If they can hold off Lee another year and a couple of months same thing. They can/could have their core players during their prime at below market value, it is a great way to keep payroll low, that is my point. Atlanta on the other hand is paying much more for its core players though their prime than MN. So yes if you are never paying your prospects close to market value, it allows teams to sign a player like Correa who was brought up very early and got expensive during his prime years.
  2. My point had nothing to do with signing free agents or keeping talent, just keeping payroll down by by not bringing up prospects up too early. For example, Buxton, Sano, Polanco, Rosario, Kepler, Berrios, Arraez all where up by age 23 all where extended or traded, Rosario if I remember was allowed to become a FA at age 28. Compare that to the recent group of prospects (mentioned above), there is no reason to extended any of them (maybe Lewis but he will only be 30 prior to FA. As for Atlanta, there are completely different story, they have superstars or possible super stars that were brought up in there early 20's and extended makes sense for reasons they are super good and they would become FA in the middle of their prime.
  3. Best way to keep payroll down it to not bring prospects up until age 24 or 25, that way you never pay a premium for their prime years. Let other teams give them the big money at age 30 or later. Guys that are just so good you can't keep them in the minors will be high priced superstars. Imagine for a minute, if the Twins never have to pay a free agent price for Ober, Jax, Duran, Ryan, Wallner, Julien, Lewis, Festa, Canterino they will have all of them basically though age 30 paying less than market rate, sure the the last year of Arb might get high, but if they can keep Lee down until Mid 25 and continue to bring EROD and Raya along slowly they could have a bunch of really good players without ever really paying for them. Jenkins could then be the superstar up at 20,21,22 that they pay big. The rest of their top pitching prospects that are kind of close are all already 22 or 23.
  4. So somebody that has been in the majors since he was 21 and a better hitter than Young while being 3 plus years younger than him, is unimpressive (actually I don't disagree with that) but a utility player that has played a total of 61 games in CF in 5 years in the majors and a 25 year old minor league player can fill the role? That confuses me. If Buxton can play 100 plus games they will be fine, if not they better hope all the other players are doing well, because CF could quickly become a black hole in the lineup.
  5. As far as I can see he has only played 1 game in RF this spring the other 9 have been 1B/DH. Has he been getting practice time in LF?
  6. MLB has him as the 18th rated prospect, the athletic has him at 31, and fan graphs has him at 42. doesn't that mean he has that potentia?. Like I said there currently isn't a spot for him, but getting some action this year should help the Twins figure out what they have, instead of bringing him up next year and then trying to figure out what they have, (Like Larnach, Miranda, Wallner, AK, etc...)
  7. First I agree there isn't a position for Lee right now so he will go to the minors, but the talk about him not being ready is kind of ridiculous IMO. Great players and franchise players are generally in the majors by age 23 and there is a reason players aren't up by that age, injury, not good enough, or have holes in their games, they all can be overcome and there a few examples in the majors right now that have done that. I posted multiple times on this site that multiple time all stars are mostly guys that are up at an early age and that should be the hope of a top 10 pick. If anything happens to Royce, Carlos or Julien, Lee should be given the job and see if he forces the Twins hand.
  8. Is this really true? If you double his at bats against righties and triple his at bats against lefties. (That would have given him about 40 less plate appearances than Correa for example) that would have put him close to a .200/.325/.440 (very rough math except average. (28 doubles, 30 homers, 64 BB, 175 K's) Sill very good, but he was terrible against lefties last year and at some point they would have had to stop playing him.
  9. My hope for Wallner is he can continue to hit righties close to what he did last year and he improves enough against lefties that he is playable. I don't usually give spring training much worry, but it would be nice to start seeing better at bats from him, otherwise it might be better to give Larnach another shot to see if he can stay hot and healthy.
  10. With relief pitchers I don't believe you can look at any one stat and make a good judgement. And I hate using expected or projected stats to determine how a player performed prior. I believe you can say about somebody their ERA doesn't look great because of just a couple bad performances or being left in too long a couple of times. I love/like using expected for how said player will likely perform going forward, which is a good sign for Jax. This isn't a rip on Jax, but in 22 he blew 25% of his save opportunities and in 23 he blew 22%. Compare that with say Hector Neris who blew 1 off 34 chances (3%) in 23 and 4 out of 32 in 22 for 13% and his ERA in 22 was actually higher than Jax. or Erik Swanson he blew 2 of 35 chances last year and 2 of 19 the year prior. or Tyler Rogers 7 of 39, 1 of 16 and 6 of 49 in 21. Bryan Abreu in 22 perfect 10 for 10 and last year was 29/33 (and Topa was 26/28 last year, but I wouldn't count him as elite yet) To me those are elite and I hope Jax gets there, not being elite is OK, when you are in the next tier or so down.
  11. Jax is a good to real good relief pitcher, but he also has been in the top 10 in blown saves with ERA's above 3.35 the last two years so to say he is a premier setup is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be this year. I would argue that Topa was a better setup pitcher last year than Jax. So if Jax has done something to get better, that is wonderful and I hope he ends the season as one of the top 10 set up pitchers. With the articles talking about how amazing each and every player on the Twins anything less than 100 wins would be considered IMO a disappointment.
  12. I don't think AK's career with the Twins or anywhere else depends on defense, IMO depends completely on health and doing what he is expected to with the bat, because if his bat is what we all hope the Twins and other teams will find a spot for him.
  13. 665, 658, 318 those are the plate appearances for those 3, I don't think it is fair or honest to compare him to those two when they had double his plate appearances. With that said if he can stay healthy and come close to that production while doubling his plate appearances, the conversation will quickly turn to how much it is going to cost to extend him.
  14. Isn't that the definition of now or never? He he does that and I believe everybody wants and hopes for him to do it, it is the Now, but if the Twins get another season of injury and less than expected results while healthy (21,22) it probably is the never side of the equation. So AK stay healthy and hit well.
  15. Ober just needs to stay healthy and do what he has been doing, if he improves on that, awesome.
  16. I have my fingers crossed Wallner is something close to Hrbek, he is probably more like Dan Johnson, but either way lets get it done Wallner!
  17. He was 30 and 69 of those 97 were in AAA. I wish him well and it would be great for him to be dominating in AAA and comes up and does the same if and when needed. He seems like the type of guy you bring up if needed and easily is cut.
  18. Isn't Ober the only success from a pure development stand point for this FO? They have done well in other areas with starters but not drafting them. (Varland has a chance, and at this point I think SWR would count as a internal development starting pitcher)
  19. I kind of think it is a stretch to call him a prospect. I mean his age 25 season was not very good (it was probably great for him to be AAA and the majors) performance wise. With that said former starters generally don't become good relief pitchers until about this age or even a bit later, because they were starting prior to that. I think he can be a pretty good relief pitcher for many years going forward, but I don't really need to see him continue to be a starter going forward and if we do things probably have gone horribly wrong.
  20. I agree elite first baseman need to need to save others, but they also need to not commit errors. Freeman has 10 errors in the last 537 games, Goldschmidt 11 in lat 625 games, Walker 13 in the last 409. Santana has committed 17 in the 313, and I think those guys are elite, I have always thought Santana was good, maybe pretty good but never thought he was elite. It just feels like Twin players or when players get to Minnesota all of sudden they are thought of better than they actually are.
  21. Honest question, what makes him elite with the glove? I know there is more than errors, but he committed 8 last year and 9 teams last year committed more than that. (The Twins as a team only committed 6 at 1B last year.)
  22. I don't give two rats about any of the things you discussed. The Twins offer a product and I can decide to spend my money on that product or not, end of story (minus that I am spending on it because I live in hennepin county and paying taxes on the stadium that was build and paid for (75%) by the tax payers. If I don't feel like they are doing enough for me to spend my money on said product that is all that matters, others can feel different and I don't begrudge them. Every time spend money on a taxable item I pay ..15% tax and at a minimum have put for 1K towards that. But like I have also said that doesn't stop me for cheering for them and hoping all the players exceed expectations.
  23. Why would Ober sign a deal like Ashby? wouldn't he get more in the next three years of Arb? Why would the Twins do a 5 year deal when they have him for 4 more? Also will be 26 shortly and Ober will be 29, not sure they are the best comparisons, there has to be better doesn't there? But if the twins can buy out 1 year of free agency and though age 32 season for cheap I guess why not. If I was running the Twins I wouldn't do it and would be looking more into trading him prior to 26 and Ryan prior to 27, because Festa, SWR, Raya and others better be there to replace them.
  24. I am confused, can you an others move on and leave the conversation to those that want to talk about it? I am baffled on how you and others believe they should decide what to talk about? You can point out flaws, have disagreements on what people say, but demanding what he conversation should be is is strange no? I have given my piece in other articles, the Twins can do what ever they want with the money and I can do the same (Minus that taxes I have to pay being that l live in Hennepin county). With that said I will be cheering for the Twins and pondering how the writers will decide which Twin wins the MVP(Lewis, Correa, or Buxton), ROY (Martin or Festa) and CY (Lopez, Ober or Ryan)
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