Well said Bark, it took a long time to get some of the other Abramaic religions to accept secular governments. And the cost of that time was brutal. I'd like to see Islam progress faster than that and move themselves towards a more progressive outlook on the world. Many believers already have. Far, far too many have not. The unfortunate reality is that religion is being used to prop up a lot of brutal behavior. In our country we have one sect of people trying to ban a religion from the country - a racist, ridiculous notion. Or boot them from the country as an earlier poster suggested. We have another sect of people honestly comparing 50 dead people in a club to harassment (however reprehensible, is still only harassment, not murder). Or comparing abortion clinic bombings by Christians to terrorist attacks by Muslims. I'd love it if we could have some nuance in the conversation. Islam is part of the problem, it's being widely perverted towards violence. That doesn't mean Islam itself is any more dangerous than the other religions. It isn't. Many believers of Islam, especially those in the west, are good people. People who are part of our culture every bit as much as we are. At the same time, let's not equivocate what is happening in the world in the name of Islam has any equal. It's a religion that is sick with corruption, abuse, violence, misogyny, and exploitation. Rape victims are killed for the audacity to have been raped. Gays are thrown off buildings. Non-believers of Islam are tortured, flayed, burned alive, and brutally killed in nearly every fashion imaginable. Children are indoctrinated further. Women have no upward future. This is the world of Islam for millions of people. It's not racist to say - Islam and its adherents are the central force behind all this brutality. We have to rally together to reject that in no uncertain terms. Your link said it best earlier - when we hide behind words, try to minimize the realities, and cede the ground of confrontation - we give that ground to nut bags like Trump. We need to take it, own the issue and stop thinking we can soft-shoe around the reality. I'm tired of hearing the people who fight for these same rights in this country rush to yell "racism!" every time we try and confront this real force for human misery in the world. Islam, as I've found through many of its believers, can be such a wonderful religion. It'd be nice if more of its adherents around the world followed it the same way those I've met here have done. We need to fix that, so count me in Bark.