TheLeviathan
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Why acquire the more expensive guy in the first place? There is hardly time for anyone to prove anything before you are committed to Cron. -
I can't follow that logic.
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I guess I can't see this as being a depth move. If you make this claim, you're planning on him being more than that. Otherwise, it seems odd to want to commit a relatively significant amount of money to him. And where I struggle to see the upside is when you juxtapose what Cron can bring to what Austin can bring. There is significant downside in both of them as neither have established being a legitimate starting 1B at this point, but their upsides look roughly similar too. So....why not just keep the cheaper guy you already have on your roster? I don't know, I look at things through an upside lens. I want the Twins to make moves that will maximize their possible success. And I just don't see how this moves that needle.
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What's the upside?
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Don't you think this is a bit different considering his expected arbitration price? As Nick points out, I doubt the Twins make this claim without plans to have him on the roster. And that means they are planting (at least partially) their 1B/DH flag on Cron and a 5M commitment. People keep saying they don't see the downside, but the better question is.....where's the upside?
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You must be new around here. Sit down, grab something with some kick in it, make yourself a drink, and let me regal you with stories of the Pohlads.....
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If he's so easy to cut, and offers so little, I don't see the point in adding him. I don't see how someone can know that roster spots are limited and budgets are finite and make this point? He DOES have real costs. And 5M is NOT marginal for many of the needs on this roster
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You can cut Grossman irrespective of adding Cron. So that really doesn't fly. 5M against next year's budget is not a marginal cost in adding a bullpen player. It could be as much as 40-50% of what your offer is per year. Ditto for many of the MIF guys we might consider.
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Are the splits worth 5M? If not, I don't see the point. Take that 5M and add it to a bid for a reliever. You know, chase wins where you can rather than add redundancy.
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One that plays a different position. Like outfield. Or first and third. We already have a right handed hitting 1B who put up a .782 OPS and makes the league minimum. Cron is redundant and we paid 5M for that redundancy. To use your phrase - I'd rather use that 5M to chase wins in the bullpen, outfield, or other positions. We won't get many wins for that 5M increase over Austin. MLB teams simply do not have the space on a 25 man roster for redundancy unless the guys are ridiculously good. And that adjective does not fit Cron.
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You don't seem to believe that argument in this thread?
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You're paying 5M over 500k for an increase in OPS of .044. You keep making his .800 OPS out to be significantly more than Austin. Austin put up a .782 OPS. I don't consider it worth 5M and a roster spot to up that to .816. Especially since the two players play the same position. The majority of Cron's career has not been a .816 OPS player. He was just DFA'd by the Rays. I think counting on him to be a 30 HR, .800 OPS guy is fool's gold. The roster spot just used on Cron should've been used on a right-handed outfielder. Not a limited corner infielder. We have those.
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4-5M is considerably more than the minimum. And Cron does not have a track record of 30 and .800. In fact, his track record looks a lot like what Austin did last year.
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I'm not penciling either of them into 30 HRs and an OPS north of .800. Given the same number of at-bats, I think the two will have roughly similar numbers. Which I'd put closer to .775 and 25 bombs. If either Austin or Cron could play other positions....fine. But as they are, these two feel entirely redundant. And if they're redundant - I'd rather keep the younger, cheaper one.
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TheLeviathan replied to ashbury's topic in Other Baseball
I hope Donaldson getting a one year, 23M deal puts an end to some of the low-ball prices people think are going to sign players. If you want to play in FA, you're going to have to pony up. (This is 20-25% more than most here were estimating) -
4M and a roster spot certainly could be downside. I feel like we already have CJ Cron at an eighth of the price in Austin. This....makes no sense to me. I hope it works out, but I don't like this as a starting point for the offseason.
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I feel like smarter people, who didn't want this for political purposes, could've defused this easily.
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That was a good win. NE isn't a world beater this year, but on the road it's a tough matchup.
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We can do both?
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Bad start, they look like they may have work up though.
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We are not one player away from anything. Acquiring good players, at a cost less than what they may provide you in value, is always a good move.
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They have been mentioned, but the focus is on STL. Everyone, including Twins' beat writers, indicate that the talks never got past the preliminary stages.
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Because Yankee stadium punishes him. His splits are nothing short of stark. Home 4 4 .500 6.98 59.1 1.90 WHIP 6.8 SO/9 Away 7 5 .583 3.17 71.0 1.15 WHIP 9.9 SO/9 Get him away from Yankee stadium and you have yourself a stud.
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I really hope this happens, it's a brilliant buy-low move.
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What does Arizona take for Greinke?
TheLeviathan replied to diehardtwinsfan's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
I do know that he loves to bat, so there is a good chance his list is predominantly AL.
