I think we're agreeing to a large extent without realizing it. Here is the division. What Levi and i (bark I'm sad you left me out, I'm just slightly less crass), are trying to point out, is that the current practice of Islam is the problem. It isn't just the radicals. There are millions of followers that do inhumane things in line with current ideology. I will give you the problem is the "practice" even though i very much believe the problem is the religion. And I'm not sorry about saying it. Just as i believe Christianity was/is the problem with numerous bigotry practices in our own country and spilt blood for centuries in our history. I'm an atheist though, and don't mind fighting that ideological battle. While there are many that practice the faith progressively, there are not enough, and not enough in the right places. Our interactions with these Muslims (who would be called infidels and killed immediately in said regions), are tainted. Don't you guys see that? The people that are here, going about their business, letting others go about theirs, isn't who we are talking about. We aren't even narrowing this down to the groups that do jihad. The problem is far and wide, and it seems like people are arguing with this notion. Now, I'll offer solutions. I'll start with my preference and most effective. End religion (kidding, not kidding though). Sanctions. I will fully stand up to whatever consequences occur from it. You want to be safe? We aren't supporting these countries anymore. Next, open borders and allow those that want to leave, to leave. Help rise up peaceful teaching of Islam. Put prominent figures on tv, radio ect. Integrate them into our society to show we have open arms. That's just a few.