Okay, go build your party, Levi. All I'm suggesting operationally it's difficult to build a consensus, much less a party, by mere moderation or independence. And for the record, I consider liberals independent thinkers. This notion that both the right and the left are beholden ideology like some faith, just isn't true. Liberalism, as I understand it, values progressiveness, i.e. new ways of doing things. Again, I'm fine with moderation in governance, but for purposes of political party, give me more liberal agenda, and less of the 'moderation' the Democrats have been peddling.