DaveW

The Marlins got rid of a bunch of ****ty contracts and a guy who was one year away from free agency, its only a good move though if they actually spend that saved money on other assets.

At some point, Rick is going to have to go. I don't know if it will mean the end of the series but the guy has been up and down too many times. At some point, he's going to jump the shark with his behavior and turn into a caricature of his former self. I don't think that point is too far off, either. Not to continue to bitch, because the comic has done a great job overall, but I am not a fan of Neagen, he is so ****ing over the top its unbelievable and they will never be able to match the Governor as the big bad. The only thing that could come close is if Carl ends up becoming a cold calculating pyschopath.

Interesting. Back in July I brought up the possibility of the Twins getting Hunter and here's what you said: twinsdaily.com/showthread.php?2370-Torii-Hunter-and-the-Twins-in-2013 and? That is what I felt comfortable with giving him and still would, when I said I thought he would be lucky to get 1/8 or 2/14 that is on the open market. Give me Willingham at 3/21 any day of the week over those options. I sure as hell wouldn't give Hunter 2 years here or even a one year deal approaching the salary he got, and only advocated bringing him in if Span/Revere were traded and Hicks/Arcia weren't ready. This is a stupid deal for the Tigers IMO.

Part of me wishes they would just kill off the rest of the group (sans Carl) then go into the future 5-10 years and focus on him.

#100 pissed me off royally.

Hunter was better than Young in 2012, I don't think that's anywhere near a certainty in 2013. Hunter is old and had an extremely lucky season. You're also looking at this the wrong way, the opportunity cost of this move is what will really hurt the Tigers. What else could they have gotten for $13,000,000 over the next two years? Can you get, for example, Nick Swisher (a significantly better bet to help your team) for that? FWIW Swisher is looking for "Jayson Werth money." Though 2/26 for Hunter is very absurd, I was thinking he would be lucky to get a 1/8 deal or a 2/14.

I fear they won't end up making the governor as bad ass as he should be. Thank God they killed Laurie though, Christ she was a beat down. What will they do about the baby? I can't exactly see them killing off a baby on the show, yet having a baby while you are being attacked by zombies and other folks isn't exactly a realistic expectation. Perhaps they end up leaving the baby with someone or something? I found it comical that the second they killed off T-Dogg (who really was under utilized) they had a new token black guy enter the group more or less.

Ponder clearly grew to distrust his offensive line, which, while logically understandable, is not something a quarterback can do. You have to drop back assuming that you will be protected, even if you probably won't be, and adjust when the pressure comes. Those few games where he was hit multiple times before finishing his drop or play fakes clearly rattled him and led to that lack of trust. Hopefully he has learned that lesson. That is a really good take on the situation, he did look much more comfortable this last game (like his first four games).

This whole thing is confusing as **** to me, everybody said the Buerhle deal last year was terrible, and its not like he came out and had a career year this year or anything. He had a 3.74 ERA in the NL while pitching in an extreme pitchers park. He is owed basically 15 mil a year from here on out! (Baseball reference actually shows he is owed 18 mil in 2014 and 19 mil in 2015) not sure how accurate that is, but if that is the case....wow even worse. On what planet does anyone think either way that this is a contract we would want to bring on? Literally for a couple mil more a year we could go out and get an ace like Greinke (though I don't think that is prudent either) I guarantee the Marlins would have given him away for nothing but salary relief this year, but nobody would bite. You bring WAR into the conversation incorrectly seeing how there is a very good chance that Morneau produces much higher then last year (since he was coming back from an injury and had a slow start) also Reyes, though pricey is still a damn solid player which WAR doesn't show his true value IMO. Also they got a guy in Josh Johnson who could ultimately be the best FA pitcher on the market come next year, he isn't exactly owed Peanuts, but there is no such thing really as a "bad" one year deal. So at the end of the day: No, I wouldn't take Buerhle for even a straight salary dump, much much much less trading a guy like Morneau (who has plenty of value on his own) and Revere (Value both in a trade and in the organization for him) now if Toronto magically wants to pick up 18 of the 45 still owed to Buerhle in the deal then perhaps it would be worth discussing, but as it sits now? No way!!

Absolutely not on Buerhle, if we are going to over pay for a pitcher I would rather go out and give Greinke 100 mil then that turd Buerhle, also Johnson is going no where.

Because letting people continue to pile on and viciously insult the guy is somehow conducive to quality discourse? How old are you? Grow up. Thrylos was wrong, as most of us expected to begin with. That has been established and nobody is making excuses for him. The only thing we're encouraging by locking up that thread is civility. It would have let up after 24-48 hours and would thus keep him from posting stupid nonsense like that in the future. Personally I think you should ban him, I got a ban after posting a "joke" Liriano post that was clearly a joke, yet you keep a pathological liar around these parts? It weakens the community as a whole to let that crap run wild. Also, you know how old I am Nick.

Marlins have zero expectations going forward now, it really is an ideal situation for Redmond to walk into, if he can get them even to be a .500 club in a few years he will be a success.

I never said close the door on getting anyone. I said close the door on thinking 20M was going to land you 3 pitchers. 5M for Baker isn't that awful and shouldn't have been that shocking. He's a pitcher who has been successful. Quite a bit more successful than most of this fanbase has appreciated. Injury or not that has value. You don't have to take the remark personally, not sure why you feel the need to do so, but the fact is people seem to think that the payroll flexibility the Twins have (if they were to spend all that they are assumed to have) would somehow land them as many as 2 of the top 5-7 pitchers on the market. That was ridiculous then and it should be glaringly obvious how ridiculous it was now. Yeah, 5 M is not a bad contract at all for a guy like Baker.

Hey Rocketpig, pretty weak shutting down the other thread, ever since the Twinsdaily transition you seem to have become a bit of a company man. No offense, but you protecting that douche and encouraging that garbage he spews makes this forum worse.

Occam's Razor: Thrylos doesn't have a "source" and was talking out of his ass. Honest question: Does he contribute anything to this forum? All of his posts seem to be one of two things: 1.Making up things to bash the front office/Gardy/etc 2.Making up things to claim he is some sort of important beat writer/rumor monger for the Twins. Seriously, pathological lying on the internet is nothing new, I just would expect a site like this to be above it.

This blows, 5.5 isn't a ton of money on a one year deal, if he even pitches like the scott baker of old for 3/5ths of the season its a steal for the Cubs. I wish him the best of luck, filling the rotation just got that much harder seeing how anyone we can get for 5.5 mil on the open market is going to be more of the dog**** like Hernandez, Ortiz etc

Yeah, it was nice to see Rudolph get back in action. Thomas was very intriguing to me and looks to have some explosive potential. There is also a ray of hope for the Vikes next game. Cutler could very well be out for more then a week, and if that is the case the Vikes have a decent chance to win in Chicago as long as they don't turn the ball over (no easy task against the Bears of course) In addition, they should be fully healthy coming out of the bye, Peterson, Harvin, Simpson, Cook etc should all be able to heal the nagging injuries, and the Bears very well could be coming off of two tough games and hopefully loses against Houston and San Fran. The rest of the schedule is tough, GB and Chi at home are both winnable IMO, though Green Bay has been playing better as of late, they still have plenty of holes (and injuries) on the defensive side of the ball. They haven't exactly wowed me in their last two games as well. With all that said, the Vikes could very well go 0-4 against those two teams, but at least we have a fighting chance going into the last 6 weeks which makes for interesting football at the very least. Give me that over watching a team that is about 2-8 or 3-7 at this point of the season (high draft picks be damned!) Ponder obviously is going to be the difference down the stretch in whether the Vikings going 2-4 or can somehow go 3-3, or 4-2.

Like after the first few players are drafted there is a discernible difference between grouped players. It would take greater value to get a b+ pitcher than a b+ MI. The shortstop signed by Toronto was signed for as much money as Marquis got last year. The greater efficiency is had by drafting well. When you have not, you have to be creative. I really do not think Span would be traded for a C+ pitcher. Cole DeVries has made himself a C+ pitcher. The prospects mentioned for Span rated much higher. DeVries is not a C+ pitcher, at best DeVries is replacement level.

Your best bet is to draft well, or trade for a top pitching prospect, then lock him up while he is still under team control. (see: Kershaw, Verlander, Cain, Felix, etc etc) It seems like the teams overpaying out the ass for starting pitching on the market tend to get burned more then they get rewarded.

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I agree. The biggest need by far is pitching. Any trades should focus on that. That's a goodway to not maximize value then. If a team is going to offer you either a: B+ Prospect who plays middle INF, or a C+/B- prospect who is a pitcher the Twins would be quite foolish to take the pitcher just because "there is a greater need"

Gotta give credit to Ponder today, guy came in with everyone wanting him out and played a really nice game. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise that Harvin was out, it forced Musgrave to open up the play book a bit and Ponder didn't disappoint, it reminded me a bit of his first 4 games or so. Zero turnovers and a number of good decisions and passes. The Lions aren't the greatest defense in the world, but pass wise they are like 12th overall or so. Either way, nice win. Hopefully the Vikes can find a way to go 3-3 down the stretch, though it will be tough.

This thread....wow, really? Also I am a fan of both the moves so far, hard throwing bullpen guy, is intriguing and fryer gives us depth where maybe they won't resign butera?

It's a well known fact that Keith Law hates the Twins, I just can't take his extremely biased opinions seriously.

Tomorrows game IMO is his most important start in his career. The fans are going to be against him and booing him the whole time, if he comes out and stinks up the joint again I think there is a good shot he is benched coming out of the bye, however if he can somehow come out and have a good game without Percy Harvin, it at least shows that he has earned the rest of the year to prove himself.