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The trade evaluator site has him at negative trade value, and didn't list at all the catcher who went in return, FWIW.

It's really difficult to express how much of an albatross Cano's remaining contract is. To get him off the books would be a tremendous boon to the Mets. They would be expected to pay through the teeth for the privilege. Simply handing over Syndergaard is, amazingly, probably not enough. While I have reservations about the Trade simulator at https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ , it is useful for getting into the correct neighborhood of how a trade would be structured. Cano weighs in at Negative 83 million. Syndergaard, valuable though he is at 68 million, doesn't balance out Cano. Maybe the Mets get Schoop as a replacement for Cano at 2B, adding the $4M of excess value that Schoop brings. So now they're $19M in the hole. The Mets don't additionally get Boyd, worth $31M himself, in this scenario, without putting a ton of extra value into the trade. They don't get "and prospects", except of the very marginal variety that change hands between clubs all the time - just for show, essentially. So the Tigers get a world class haul of young talent in this scenario. Just to pick names that approximately add up (not that it would necessarily make baseball sense), Twins send Kirilloff and Larnach to the Tigers. The Mets send their prize SS Amed Rosario to the Tigers. Nice return for Boyd plus eating a lot of salary. The Tigers send a few cat-and-dog prospects to the Twins and Mets simply to even up the books a bit. Failed pitching prospect Kyle Funkhouser, shortstop Sergio Alcantara, pitcher Gregory Soto. Just names on a roster. In summary: Twins get: Syndergaard (Mets), Funkhouser (Tigers) Mets get: Alcantara (Tigers), Boyd (Tigers), Schoop (Twins), Soto (Tigers) TIgers get: Cano (Mets), Kirilloff (Twins), Larnach (Twins), Rosario (Mets) Far-fetched, but if the Mets are set on getting rid of a liability they took on only a year ago, I guess it could happen. Twins perhaps say no to both Larnach and Kirilloff, and the bits and pieces they would substitute might not be what the Tigers want. Meanwhile the NY media roasts the Mets FO alive. Very tough to pull off.

Good find. Probably agency-related, or agency-enabled when one player mentioned something.

Bauer reached the majors the year that Berrios was drafted and pitched in Elizabethton. How did their paths ever cross in such a way that they became more than passing acquaintances? Do players with the same agency (Wasserman in their cases) get chummy, or does that usually work the other way around?

Royce Lewis has an OPS of 1.000 at Pensacola. Why is he being left to die on the vine in AA at age twenty???1? Call him up!!!!1!

Well, there was that one time. I still remember it well. As if it was yesterday. Or, maybe the day before. Memory is funny like that.

Now if something goes wrong in his next outing we can blame the rust!

This article states that Cora interpreted the rule differently than I stated, and now the team is dropping the subject. You can connect the dots as well as I can. If the Red Sox decide to make a managerial change, they know where to find me, just a 30 minute commuter-rail ride away.

Is that some of that new rap music the young kids are singing these days? I'm hip to it, daddio.

Certainly not before this trade deadline - you wouldn't jerk a player around like that, telling him to pack for Pensacola and then to pack for some different AA city a few days later. Or, if you're cynical, you wouldn't pay the moving expenses, instead letting the next team do that. <eye roll>

This pretty closely tracks how I'm viewing it, after a night's sleep. A week ago I was saying I don't mind an overpay, because 40-man adds are looming and it's a false economy to haggle too much. I just didn't expect to overpay for Sergio Romo. And, it's an overpay, tacitly acknowledged by both sides, due to the inclusion of "an arm" and the ever-popular PTBNL, in return for what looks like a good bat. Maybe I'm mis-under-estimating Vallimont, but the one scouting report I saw says his fastball sits in the low-90s, not mid-. A draftee from a small college, he's unlikely to have any significant impact in the majors. Which... can be said of nearly every pitcher drafted, but there are shades of likelihood. I'm going with "just an arm" until I see reason to change my mind about that. Maybe the coaches at Ft Myers or Cedar Rapids spotted something when he pitched against them that made them report, "he's just the kind of guy we could get an extra 3 MPH from". I doubt that Diaz would have been a key as part of a package to making a bigger trade, so I guess I have to wait until after the deadline to try to infer whether this was the right use of him as a trade chip. If another trade does happen, involving us giving up as "a sweetener" a player I prize more, I'd have to wonder. That's really the only reason I care. I want careful preservation of assets, I want aggressive use of those assets now - it's a fine line.

Another name for consideration: amjgt. My recollection is that he usually makes sense when he posts. I haven't gone back and checked, though.

Moderator's Note: Apparently some posters forgot that this is a moderated site. We've issued warning points to four members already and removed those posts (along with responses they garnered) - most weeks pass without even one. Please don't become the fifth today. If you like or dislike the trade, state why - nobody has been given a warning point for that. But don't tear into fellow posters, or post disrespectfully about players, or... well, you know what's expected here. Reminder, the site's Comment Policy is available for your review. http://twinsdaily.com/topic/8228-twins-daily-comment-policy/

Speaking of SwainZag, I found this post disappointing just now: http://twinsdaily.com/topic/34155-article-twins-trade-lewin-diaz-for-rhp-sergio-romo-2-minor-leaguers/?p=887929 If you are looking for a new moderator who will hit offending posters with snark right there in the thread, then maybe he's the guy. Once in a great while, that's called for. I tend to regret doing it more often than I feel proud, though. Anyway, a data point since we're discussing him - I don't consider it a disqualifier per se.

How about shmigheghi as a moderator? Check out this post: http://twinsdaily.com/topic/34155-article-twins-trade-lewin-diaz-for-rhp-sergio-romo-2-minor-leaguers/page-3?do=findComment&comment=887915 OK, it's his first post. His only post. But he shows promise.

Outstanding first post, IMO. Welcome to the site.

I got very tired of trading away one guy and getting two or more back, under the old front office. Today's trade harkens back to an era that said you can't forecast anything, so just get quantity and you'll come out ahead of the smarty-pants teams in the long run. Yes, we struck gold with Eduardo Escobar that way, but my memory is that most of those trades turned out exactly as you would imagine - no impact and within a couple of years all the pieces so-acquired had scattered to the four winds. Maybe that trading record is a topic worth someone's time as a careful study Given Diaz's imminent need for 40-man protection, he is of value to only a few teams, so I guess Miami had us over a barrel. But I still long for a time when we're the ones packaging someone like Diaz with a couple of other pieces that don't really fit, to get someone of enviable value in return. Meanwhile, Romo probably is better than the relievers we've recently DFA. But he hasn't been anything close to lights-out in years. A minor piece, someone no other team will envy, that should have cost less than Diaz.

When I tell people that I like low-minors baseball better than AAA, one of the reasons I give is that not one person on the field at a AAA game, including the manager, even wants to be there.

I award you a half a Like. And then half of what's remaining, and then half of that. Oh, what the heck, half again more...

And don't be such a winer.

In an NL game, without the DH, I don't even see where the controversy would have been, in the scenario of this Rays-Sox game. The second pitcher takes the place of the 1Bman (say) in the batting order, since 1B is the guy who left the game and the new pitcher is the one who entered. The first pitcher remains batting ninth (or wherever, if there had previously been a double switch) After the next batter, and the second pitcher goes and grabs some pine, the first pitcher goes back to the mound and a new 1Bman comes in, and the batting order remains obvious, with this once-and-future pitcher still batting ninth. So analogously in an AL game, with a DH, the same logic should apply, with the first pitcher being in the DH's slot in the batting order. Why did this take a quarter hour, and a call to New York? What did Tampa try to say was happening, and what did Boston?

MVP Nick Punto. I'll throw in a criterion I haven't seen mentioned yet, but I think of him as kind of a lightweight. When the participation is game thread only, that means I don't really know how the member puts together an idea. (I hope to goodness we perform our usual cleansing of the mod forum, when the new person is added. ) OTOH, you are probably thinking of how he did invest time to express to the Cleveland kid why he was getting a bad reception from the game thread participants. That was nicely moderatorial. Not sure if that is enough, though. Unless, we are looking specifically for game thread policing. (I think I'm not.)

Also, all understanding.

Second base. We've been over this.

I don't recall member "Nine of twelve" being mentioned in this thread yet. Some style to the postings, a la Carole's wish. I think the views are usually well thought out. Any black marks come to mind? And if posting frequency isn't a high priority, how about "ChrisKnutson"? Got a few dozen posts in the month of July, and seems solid.