Jump to content
Twins Daily
  • Create Account
  • Twins News & Analysis

    Twins Trade Rumor Recap: Teams Pondering Selling


    John  Bonnes

    The rumor mill has been pretty dry lately, so Bob Nightengale’s recent story with trade talk rumors was a tall glass of water. The revelations in the story are related to the lack of news: it turns out there are a number of teams that are still trying to decide if they are selling or buying. Or perhaps whether they can get away with selling when their fans want them to be buying.

    Twins Video

    Fans (and in some cases, ownership) look at standings, not playoff odds reports. For a lot of these teams, the standings suggest their team is still in a race for a couple of Wild Card spots, while the math suggests they're a pretty significant longshot.


    On a regular basis, Twins Daily curates MLB's trade deadline rumors to determine what they mean for the Minnesota Twins.

    The Texas Rangers are a good example. They weren’t supposed to be competitive this year, but are just five games back of the American League Wild Card. But that also mean they are one of six teams chasing two Wild Card spots, and they’re the second worst one. Plus, while they’re four games above .500, they’ve been outscored on the year. So playoff odds reports have them at a 1-2% chance of making the playoffs.

    That’s important to the Twins because the Rangers have one of the few starting pitchers available that could upgrade the Twins rotation, Mike Minor. “Well, publicly, they are telling teams they can’t trade Minor as long as they’re in the race, but privately, they know his trade value will never be higher,” writes Nightengale. He says they’ll strongly consider moving him if they slip further back in the Wild Card race – and they face the Astros this weekend.

    If they do start selling, they also have several relievers that would interest the Twins. Chris Martin has been a reliable right-handed setup man who will be a free agent at the end of the year. Shawn Kelley is their closer, but is really more of a setup arm, who has a $2.5M option next year. Jose LeClerc is a young arm who dominated last year, lost the closer job, but is still doing good work and under contract through 2022 with team option years through 2024. That adds a lot of talent to the shopping mart.

    Nightengale also mentions Kirby Yates, about whom the Twins have inquired. Nightengale reports that the Padres “certainly are listening.” Yates is one of the few relievers who could be an upgrade on Taylor Rogers, and is under team control next year, too.

    But will the Padres want to sell? They’ve also had a surprising year, and are just three games back of the National League Wild Card spot. But just about everyone in the NL is within five games, so the playoff odds reports gives the Padres just a 4-7% chance of making the playoffs. They face the Cubs this weekend, and a slide might be the excuse management needs to set themselves up for a more realistic chance in 2020 or 2021.

    The biggest surprise potential seller in Nightengale’s story was the Arizona Diamondbacks, who are just a half game back of the last NL Wild Card spot. Playoff odds reports give them a 20-40% chance of making the playoffs, but Nightengale says “privately, they want to sell.” They have several players that would make sense for the Twins, starting with starting pitchers Zach Greinke (whose salary they would love to shed) and Robbie Ray, who new Twins Daily writer Copper Carlson profiled yesterday. But they also have relievers that make sense, like closer Greg Holland, who will be a free agent at the end of the year.

    Finally, Nightengale also reported that the owner of the Cincinnati Reds, who currently have the second worst record in the National League, wants to stay in the race as long as possible. Considering they have several impending free agents and 4-9% chance of making the playoffs, pressure should increase to change that attitude.

    The Reds have several names that make sense for the Twins. Carlson’s story also talks about Reds starter Sonny Gray, left-handed reliever Amir Garret will soon return from the IL, and closer Raisel Iglesias is under contract through 2021.

    So while the waiting is frustrating, it’s probably working in the Twins favor. A lot of these teams are going to be facing some ugly realities in the next two weeks, and the market for buyers could be considerably better than it is today.

    Follow Twins Daily For Minnesota Twins News & Analysis

    Recent Twins Articles

    Recent Twins Videos

    Twins Top Prospects

    Marek Houston

    Cedar Rapids Kernels - A+, SS
    The 22-year-old went 2-for-5 on Friday night, his fourth straight multi-hit game. Heading into the week, he was hitting .246/.328/.404 (.732). Four games later, he is hitting .303/.361/.447 (.808).

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Featured Comments

    It would be nice to get a reliever of the caliber of Yates, etc. But I hope that if the Twins get a high leverage arm, that player is willing to rethink their role and be used less to rack up saves and more to put out fires. The regimented 7th, 8th, 9th inning approach has always been bizarre to me, and I've been happy to see the Twins free themselves a little bit of that way of thinking, even though Rogers is now the de facto "closer."

     

    But basically, whomever the Twins pick up, I hope they don't see themselves as a pitcher with a hard and fast role.

     

    Just to be clear, the 95.9% was from June 3rd. Today the division is at 84% which is predicting a 5 out of 6 chance. (please no RR jokes here!).

     

    I think 84% is still too high. It would be interesting to see how many division leaders with 4 game leads at this point, do go on to win. Or if they get passed up in the standings, or whatever. I think 5 out of 6 might be a touch high (but not much).

     

    Anyway I agree the standings are much more likely to remain neck and neck and I do also think the Twins are capable of pulling away again, even if by virtue of Cleveland faltering again at some point. 

     

     

     

      .... Anyone else? I'm genuinely looking for insight into this probability thing John raised, and how FOs might think about it

     

    The probabilities look at the current place in the standings and also upcoming schedule. 

     

    After this homestand the Twins play a significant amount of games against KC, DET and CWS. 

     

    Toss in a series against the Marlins and you have (on paper as of now) an "easier" schedule ahead. 

     

    That contributes to the probabilities.

     

    Would Gardy even know any of our current prospects? That was 5 years ago already. I think only Gibson, May, and Polanco (barely) even played under Gardy in Minnesota:

     

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2014.shtml

     

    Unless by "Gardy's boys" you mean we somehow trade them Ft. Myers manager Toby Gardenhire. :)

    Gardy ran the show when we drafted Stewart/Hildy & Gonsalves - and was our chief during each of these 3 guys 1st 2 minor league seasons. These were the 3 pitchers I hoped he would overvalue. We can also throw Toby in if that helps spycake 

    I was wondering how the recent slew of DFAs worked with regards to trades. One loosely assumes they aren't the most valuable of assets, but they have 10 days to trade them or clear waivers or outright them if memory serves?

     

    Waivers take 3 days as well?

     

    It shows your hand, but if >1 team were interested, it could precipitate a mini-deadline for a deal involving them ahead of the main deadline.

     

    Probably not useful, but i do like to make things more complicated than they should be...

    I want another starter, but Boyd is about the last of the available guys I want, I think he's a total mirage. Or was a mirage at least, I think the facade is already coming down.

     

    Does he still come at a premium price now that he hasn't allowed fewer than 3 ER in any of his last 8 starts and has given up multiple HR in five of those appearances? 

     

    Gardy ran the show when we drafted Stewart/Hildy & Gonsalves - and was our chief during each of these 3 guys 1st 2 minor league seasons. These were the 3 pitchers I hoped he would overvalue. We can also throw Toby in if that helps spycake 

     

    I doubt Gardy had any say in those draft picks. You can only hope his impression of them was favorable when they interacted.

     

    I'd add that none of those guys would headline a deal for Boyd. You might see Stewart or Gonsalves as a 3rd/4th type piece, but definitely not the main component.

     

    I doubt Gardy had any say in those draft picks. You can only hope his impression of them was favorable when they interacted.

     

    I'd add that none of those guys would headline a deal for Boyd. You might see Stewart or Gonsalves as a 3rd/4th type piece, but definitely not the main component.

    I always felt Terry Ryan/Gardy held there own guys (guys they drafted and coached) in higher regard when it came to trades and promotions, and I still see Niko Goodrum playing a significant role over there. Obviously it will take a couple of our top 5 guys to get Boyd/Greene - just hoping a Stewart Gonsalves or Hildy would warm his heart enough to allow us to hang onto guys we like better. As in a Poppen Smeltzer Littell or Eades. Boyd alone is probably worth 2 of our 100mph youngsters AND Stewart. And I would do it in a heartbeat. Berrios/Boyd as our 1-2 for the next 3 years. Look out.

     

    I want another starter, but Boyd is about the last of the available guys I want, I think he's a total mirage. Or was a mirage at least, I think the facade is already coming down.

     

    Does he still come at a premium price now that he hasn't allowed fewer than 3 ER in any of his last 8 starts and has given up multiple HR in five of those appearances? 

     

    Boyd intrigues me.  He has given up a lot of HR lately, but he has also missed a ton of bats, and walks so few.  His slider is the real deal.  You cannot be a mirage when you can strike guys out at the rate that he does.  The only starters in the league who have a higher K/9 than he doers are Cole, Sale and Scherzer.  Get this stat.....he has a higher K/9, lower BB/9 and lower HR/9 than Verlander does this season.  He has had a little rougher run, but man.....there is a lot to like with him.

     

    Greene would worry me a lot more than Boyd does.  His shiny 1.06 ERA is the mirage.  The BABIP of .179 is unsustainable.




    Create an account or sign in to comment

    You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create an account

    Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

    Register a new account

    Sign in

    Already have an account? Sign in here.

    Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...