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    Reevaluating the Twins’ Long-Term Third Base Plan


    Cody Christie

    The Twins had confidence that Jose Miranda was ready to become the team’s full-time third baseman. Now the team has to wonder what the future of third base looks like for the organization.

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    Jose Miranda looked like he was naturally progressing to becoming a regular in the Twins’ line-up. He posted a breakout season in the upper minors during the 2021 season on his way to being named the TD Minor League Hitter. Last season, he made his big-league debut and posted a 114 OPS+, even with a late-season slump. During the offseason, he worked to get himself in better shape, and plenty of buzz surrounded him at the season’s start. The Twins hoped he was ready to bat in the middle of their line-up for multiple years. 

    Miranda struggled at the big-league level before the team demoted him last week. In 35 games, he hit .220/.275/.318 (.593) with four doubles, three home runs, and a 23-to-9 strikeout-to-walk ratio. Miranda has to hit very well to bring value to the club because his defense is below average, and he is slow on the bases. His struggles have been well documented, and now his future at third base is cloudy. Miranda would never stay at third base for the long term, so let’s reevaluate some of the team’s long-term options at third base. 

    Carlos Correa
    As Correa ages, he will eventually need to move from shortstop to another defensive home. Many of baseball’s all-time best shortstops moved to third base later in their careers. Minnesota hopes Correa’s health (and ankle) can keep him at shortstop into his early 30s, but father time is undefeated regarding player performance. There is no immediate need to move Correa, but it’s certainly something the team has to consider when completing long-term outlooks. 

    Royce Lewis
    Correa’s presence at shortstop means Lewis doesn’t have a defined defensive home as he returns from his second ACL surgery. The Twins have said he will primarily play shortstop and third base during rehab appearances. When back in the big leagues, he can serve as the Twins’ shortstop when Correa needs an off-day, but third base might be his best opportunity for regular playing time. During the 2019 Arizona Fall League, he played over 100 innings at third base but has fewer than 30 innings with a Twins affiliate. 

    Brooks Lee
    Lee seems the ideal fit to be the Twins’ long-term third baseman. He’s played shortstop throughout his professional career, but many expect him to move off the position as he gets closer to the big leagues. Some have wondered whether Lee might solve the Twins’ offensive woes, but calling him up seems a little premature. If he continues to hit well, he can be promoted to Triple-A before midseason and make his big-league debut in the second half. Minnesota fans can envision a future infield that includes Correa at short, Lee at third, and Lewis at second base. 

    Edouard Julien
    Julien might be a dark horse candidate for third base with the Twins. Nearly all of his professional career has been spent at second base, with just over 20 starts each at first and third base. In college, he was primarily used as a third baseman, so he’s had plenty of reps at the position in the past. It seemed likely for the Twins to give him reps at other defensive positions following his demotion to Triple-A, but he has only played second base this season. Minnesota’s front office might believe that he is best suited for that position, which means third base might not be in his future. 

    Who is the correct answer at third base for the long term? Will Miranda get another look at third? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    1 minute ago, 2wins87 said:

    I don't think Gordon has a lot more upside than Castro but he does have a bit more IMO.  Castro also has an option year left, so I would still send Castro to AAA in favor of Gordon if the lineup was ever healthy enough to make it a decision.  They aren't missing out on any upside in sending Castro to AAA is my main point.

    They might not ever get to the point health-wise where it becomes a decision.  If he retains his option all year then I would probably be fine keeping him around for the same role next year too.  For me he is sort of a prototypical 14th position player though, and a decent part of the reason he was worth paying the arbitration salary for is the fact that he can easily be shuttled back and forth if necessary.

    Yeah, the recovery time for a fractured shin is 4-6 months, so Nick could be done for the season. 

    Gordon getting injured (not a fan of injuries or losing time because of it for any player) but is a good thing for the Twins at this time.  He just wasn't hitting like he did last year, pretty simple when you look at .176 avg, .319 slugging & .504 OPS. Yes, he helps in pitching matchups by playing some CF but doesn't have a strong arm to play that position.  So tough that he suffered an injury but could be a good thing for us in long term with limited value in positions compared to others.

    3 hours ago, stringer bell said:

    Castro isn't better than a healthy Royce Lewis, but I would say he's a better and more versatile utility player than a healthy Nick Gordon. Gordon is likely headed for the 60-day IL, either today or when Lewis is activated and I would anticipate that Castro sticks on the major league team. I do agree that Willi Castro shouldn't be playing close to every day given his hitting stats in over three years of big league play, but he has filled in at second, short, third, left, center and right and to my knowledge he's done a decent job at each position. Gordon was shaky enough last year at second and short that the team brought in a backup shortstop and he has those decided left-right splits.

    Lewis would seem to have an opportunity to play every day at third base and cement his position there. Castro can hang on as the 13th position player filling in everywhere. Perhaps Jose Miranda can hit enough to force his way back on the active roster and get Castro sent down or maybe the same could happen for Julien. 

     

    I don't think we see a roster where a Castro type isn't on it. Lewis won't fill that role. Maybe Helman works his way into the discussion when he's healthy again but they value that versatility heavily with a 4 man bench. Castro needs to be evaluated differently that a standard position player as the ask is different. He's not getting good match ups or the chance scout his day at X spot. He gets the leftovers and is functional. His role is statistical sacrificial but very valuable.

    On 5/17/2023 at 1:37 PM, Rod Carews Birthday said:

    There are a few things that seem likely here, but not everything is solid and much could always change.  Particularly based on his outstanding defense this year, Correa seems likely to stay put at shortstop for the next few years.  That’s the part I feel the most confident in.

    IF Lewis plays at the level we hope (and anything close to the SSS we saw last year), he could move into third base and never leave it.  OK.  Problem solved!  However much we might hope it plays out that way, it’s possible that Lewis won’t pan out or will take a while to become a good third baseman with the bat and glove. 

    Miranda seems like a good player once he gets himself righted in St. Paul.  If that’s the case and Lewis works out, that’s where things get interesting.  Is he a full time DH?  That’s currently filled.  Could he be trade bait?  Is his value still high enough for that?  Are we confident enough in Lewis, Lee, et al, that we are comfortable trading him?  Miranda by himself isn’t going to bring in an ace starting pitcher, but he could be a nice part of a package, OR he might bring back a pretty solid relief pitcher.  

    Brooks Lee is the latest prospect that many fans have gotten a bit too excited about.  I think he is going to be excellent, but he needs some time in the minors to learn and polish skills before he becomes the franchise savior.  Will he be a third baseman?  First or second baseman?  Outfielder?  Time will tell, but for the next two years I don’t regard him as a major factor. If his performance forces the issue before then, it qualifies as a nice problem to have.

    Julien is a more difficult one to pinpoint.  He appears to have the same defensive chops as Arraez/Miranda, so his best position might be DH.  He could likely be an acceptable first or second baseman, but I don’t really see anything further up the food chain than that.  

    An injury or a trade could help open up the answers to these questions, but more than anything, patience is key.  I do like the way the future looks with these guys!

     

    So, I think Miranda’s only shot is to assume a role that Solano has now. Back-up 3B - RH 1B - RH pinch hitter - occasional DH.

    Julien only gets reps at 2B. Almost seems he’s being groomed for a trade. With Lee & Lewis, I don’t see him getting any innings especially with the real possibility we hang in to Polanco.

    With reps at 3B for Lewis at AA & AAA & Lee only playing SS at AA, it seems Lewis would be the 2nd option at 3B this year from mid-June on, along with Farmer. Either can rest CC. Farmer can rest Polanco. Right now, Farmer is probably the 3rd best hitter on the team since coming back from injury!

    Julien - Martin - Lee are all behind Miranda & way behind Kiriloff at 1B. Don’t see any of them having a real opportunity there without big time injury.

    June will be a pivotal month for the Twins and their usage of a couple of younger players. Lewis will need to show he is ready before he automatically gets handed third base. Miranda will need to turn things around to get recalled. Some people have called for Brooks Lee. Have they watched his at bats for Wichita? He still has a long way to go before he is ready for MLB pitchers. June should give us all some idea of the possibilities for the remainder of the year. I'm thinking Lewis should be attuned to making his time with the Saints display his talents and he will fill third base for years. We'll see.

    I've posted this many times and Miranda is the example here ... 

    You need 3 years to evaluate  a players performance before you know exactly what that player could be ...

    While everyone was excited by Miranda's  performance in 2022 with the bat , he batted nicely after his 1 day demotion  but faltered towards the end of the season , that raised concerns with me  that he could struggle in 2023 , yes he had shoulder problems in spring and it could be a factor to his messed up swing ,,, he also toned up and added muscle which could have decreased his flexibility ...

    He looked dreadful and lost at defense  and hitting and was hurting the team ...

    He may get it back for another try in the MLB  but could be out of baseball in a few years , it's his future to get better ...




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