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    Joe Ryan and the Piggybacks: Time to See What the Twins Have in the Stable

    There are several intriguing arms in the upper minors for the Twins, and I want to see them soon. Here's a way to do that, potentially.

    Seth Stohs
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    Talk to a baseball fan over the age of 60, and they’ll tell you about pitchers just don’t work as long. “Back in my days, they had four-man rotations, and the goal was to go nine innings every time you took the mound.” 

    For most of the past 30 years, MLB teams have moved to five-man rotations, and reaching 200 innings has become a badge of honor. In fact, most front offices and pitching staff just consider it a badge. More important in today’s game is going all out and using your pitches whether you get through three innings or seven innings. 

    The last couple of seasons, the Twins have been working on a new strategy for pitching development for some pitchers. We saw it in 2024 with Marco Raya. We’ve seen it this year with several pitchers including Raya and Connor Prielipp.

    We’ve even seen it with a few pitchers who have been workhorses in the past. Twins rookie pitchers Travis Adams and Pierson Ohl worked through the minor leagues primarily as starting pitchers. In the progression, they each reached 127 innings in a season. The goal was always to add to that number, to go from 127 to 152 to 181. Honestly, at that point, the pitcher is averaging nearly six innings per start. From there, if you progress to 200 innings, great. There is nothing wrong with saving the bullpen arms when possible. 

    The reality is that in today’s game (and likely has always been the case), that there are some starting pitchers who may not quite fit the mold of being able to go six to eight innings in starts very awesome. If they can, great. I mean, if Pablo Lopez and Joe Ryan are starting, you plan for them giving you six innings and have no problem with them going seven or eight frames. 

    But for some pitchers, they might have some really, really good stuff, but they just can’t maintain that stuff through 100 pitches. They can dominate for about 50 to 75 pitches. Should that pitcher automatically be pushed to a one or two inning spot? You can’t help but wonder how many pitchers were like that over the years. They just couldn’t cut it as a “regular” starter. 

    There are many “failed” starters who have become some of the best relievers and closers in baseball history. Consider John Smoltz. He was a Cy Young caliber starting pitcher, and when he would be the Braves’ closer, he was as good as anyone in the game. When he spent a season as a starter, he helped Atlanta for 200 to 250 innings. When he was a closer, he helped Atlanta for 45 to 80 innings per year. What if he could have worked four innings every fourth or fifth day instead of the bullpen, one-inning guy? Instead of helping Atlanta for 60 innings in a season, he could have given them 120-130 innings. 

    It’s with that mindset that I’d love to see the Twins test-drive a new model down the stretch; not as a gimmick, but as an honest evaluation tool. We’ve got 50-ish games left, and plenty of intriguing arms in the system. So let’s see what a modified rotation might look like with Joe Ryan and the Piggybacks.

    Here’s a few versions of how it might look:

    OPTION 1 : TWO-MAN STARTS
    Game 1: Joe Ryan (goes 5-8 innings) 
    Game 2: Zebby Matthews (4-5 innings), Pierson Ohl (4-5 innings)
    Game 3: Bailey Ober (4-5 innings), Taj Bradley (4-5 innings)
    Game 4: Mick Abel (4-5 innings), Travis Adams (4-5 innings)
    Game 5: Marco Raya (4-5 innings), Simeon Woods Richardson (4-5 innings) 
    Remaining BP: Cole Sands, Justin Topa, Kody Funderburk (Anthony Misiewicz), Jose Urena

    With this, the goal should be for the starting pitcher to hopefully get through five innings, but really to get through at least four. The goal for the "piggybacker" should be to complete the rest of the game, though based on game situations, the high-leverage arms could come into those late innings as well. 

    It will be good to have a couple of those high-leverage bullpen guys to close out a game in the ninth. It will be equally important to have a long man or two available in the bullpen as well. There is enough depth in Triple-A and even Double-A to fill slots. 

    In doing this, it is absolutely crucial to set a tone with the team that this is about creating opportunities and giving more people a chance to work and get innings and try to make their case for a 2026 roster spot. The hitters need to know that this is about development and opportunity, but they are working under the same lens, trying to make an impression for 2026 and beyond. The goal is always to win as well and that will be the goal in every game. “We believe that each and every one of these pitchers has a big-league arm and a big-time, big-league future and that journey starts now.” 

    I included Woods Richardson on here because I believe he will be back soon. We don’t know a whole lot about the timelines for Pablo Lopez or David Festa. Festa could fill one of those eight spots. Because of his veteran-ness, I would let Lopez determine if he wants to fill a spot in this type of plan, or if he would want to jump right back in that Joe Ryan (normal) role. He’s earned that opportunity. And so has Ober, of course, but this might really be good for him down the stretch. If Lopez comes back, the two ‘regular’ starters could be very similar. 

    OPTION 2: TRADITIONAL HYBRIDS
    Game 1: Joe Ryan
    Game 2: Simeon Woods Richardson, Zebby Matthews 
    Game 3: Taj Bradley, Mick Abel 
    Game 4: Pablo Lopez
    Game 5: Bailey Ober, Travis Adams
    Remaining BP: Cole Sands, Justin Topa, Kody Funderburk, Jose Urena, Pierson Ohl. 

    Or how about this?

    OPTION 3: THREE-MAN TANDEMS
    Game 1: Joe Ryan
    Game 2, Simeon Woods Richardson, Pierson Ohl, Travis Adams (3 innings each)
    Game 3: Pablo Lopez, Bailey Ober (4-5 innings each)
    Game 4: Taj Bradley, Kendry Rojas, Mick Abel (3 innings each)
    Game 5: Zebby Matthews, 
    Remaining BP: Cole Sands, Justin Topa, Kody Funderburk 

    There are other pitchers on the 40-man roster. Maybe a Kendry Rojas will be added to the roster and inserted into a few starts. The final bullpen spots can be updated every 10-12 days as needed based on usage. Honestly, it’s a lot of plug-and-play. It’s a lot of planning, and for that 50-game stretch, it may feel a little regimented.   

    Why Do This Now?

    Because it matters. Because fans want to see what’s next. Because the front office needs data. Because payroll flexibility means young, controllable players matter. And because, frankly, Twins fans need something to believe in again.

    And these pitchers — Abel, Raya, Matthews, Bradley, SWR, Ohl, Rojas — they give us a reason to watch. They represent hope. They represent the next great Twins rotation. We already know Joe Ryan’s part of that. So is Ober. So is Pablo López. But who else?

    Let’s find out.

    Oh, and one more thing: giving these kids a shot might just help season ticket sales too. I’d bet the front office wouldn't mind giving their sales team something to get excited about this offseason.

    Let’s see the arms. Let’s see the future. Let's ride with Joe Ryan and the Piggybacks.

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    1 hour ago, rv78 said:

    If you piggyback them, aren't you really just seeing if they will make an effective long reliever? An accurate test or evaluation of a player to be a starter is to treat them like a starter. If Rocco is going to pull them before the 3rd time thru the order then you really aren't learning if they can be successful at it since they aren't given the chance. Piggys belong in a pig pen. Horses belong in a stable. Make them horses not pigs.

    You're presuming that you can make a player be effective in a role just by deciding on the role and having them do it. 

    There's a very interesting question to see whether some of the rotation options we have might be effective/more effective if they were pitching 3-4 innings more often than as a starter but less often than they would be as a 1-inning reliever and fill a different type of role. 

    Long relievers have existed for a long time in baseball, but in the modern era if a team has one on their roster, they're usually treated as a low leverage pitcher that's only there to throw and absorb innings in a blow out situation of some type. Part of what's intriguing about some of this idea is seeing whether there are players who could fit into this type of role in higher leverage positions as well.

    I'm intrigued by the possibilities of piggybacking some of our younger/less experienced starters for the rest of the season both to evaluate where they are against MLB talent but also to see whether some of them might thrive pitching a little more often but a little less. If even one emerges as someone who can fairly reliably give 3 innings twice a week for the future, that could be a very useful role to save the bullpen, carry the team through the middle innings if someone goes "5 and Fly" (or a bit less), etc.

    Part of the question this season is how many rotation type guys need MLB innings to get the evaluation and development they need this season. Bradley, Abel, Rojas, Matthews, Festa, SWR, Ohl, and Adams are all contenders for this, but how many of them might be better off just pitching in the rotation at AAA while they work on stuff/get evaluated by Twins staff? I think that's a harder question.

    Ohl & Adams fascinate me right now, because they both have had stretches where they looked great/effective and stretches where they looked incapable of pitching at the MLB level. Part of the book on Bradley coming in was he needed to get his change back in order; should he be working on it at AAA or MLB? Rojas has lots of arm talent, but needs refinement and innings, and with so little experience above A-ball might not be well-suited to test-driving a new role in MLB. Matthews & Festa have good upside, but it seems like they need to be tested going deeper in games more than anything.

    I will say, the remainder of the season is the time to be creative, because they're unlikely to make some kind of crazy run and get back in contention with the shambolic bullpen we have.

    3 hours ago, rv78 said:

    If you piggyback them, aren't you really just seeing if they will make an effective long reliever? An accurate test or evaluation of a player to be a starter is to treat them like a starter. If Rocco is going to pull them before the 3rd time thru the order then you really aren't learning if they can be successful at it since they aren't given the chance. Piggys belong in a pig pen. Horses belong in a stable. Make them horses not pigs.

    This is not how it works. Go check out Garrett Crochet and his career. The short version is he was a 1 inning reliever, got hurt, came back as a 1 inning reliever and was then put straight into the rotation last year and was immediately an ace who was traded for a massive haul and given a huge contract and is about to win the Cy Young. Because how you described pitching development isn't how it actually works.

    People around here wanted Griffin Jax put into the rotation this year, and there's a very real possibility Tampa does that next year with him. Jordan Hicks and Reynaldo Lopez recently switched from being 1 inning relievers straight into the rotation with success. The Twins are about to face Seth Lugo tonight, guess how many starts he made from 2019 through 2022 out of the 185 games he pitched in? 7. He threw 228 innings in 185 games. That's barely over 1 inning per appearance. San Diego turned him directly into a starter in 2023 where he had a 3.57 ERA in 146.1 innings (only 1.2 innings shy of his previous 3 years combined) and he then threw over 200 innings for KC last year in a league leading 33 starts that gave him a 2nd place finish in the Cy Young award race. He has a 3.06 ERA this year. He started 38 games his first 7 seasons and has started 80 in his last 2 plus.

    Piggys do just fine when they're released from the pen.

    If this is justba way to see more potential starters for the rest of 2026, ok I guess. You might pull it off. Might, but 4 relievers in the pen is tough. 

    Full season? The whole idea of "piggyback" starters, or 3--4 inning starters in general, just doesn't work, nor make much sense.

    While it shouldn't have to be re-stated yet again, this a 2 month proposal in order to get as many young arms in ML game action to springboard them for 2026 and beyond. It's not a permanent alteration.

    Where it gets a little complicated is total numbers needed...though they can add a 14th arm in September...and when/if Lopez and Festa come back. But let's say Ryan and Lopez are business as usual. So the other 3 spots would on the 5/4 IP program. Example: SWR and Abel are matched up on a 5/4. Sim starts and Abel comes in after 5 innings. The next turn they flip and Abel goes 5 and Sims goes 4. If the starter struggles, maybe you switch it up mid game and pull him after 4.

    It's just a way to get as many looks, as much experience for as many young arms over the next 2 months as possible to prepare for 2026.

    Also, they aren't doing this to every arm throughout the system. They have zero issue of a MILB SP going a full 5 innings, or even 6 once in a while.  What they have started this year was taking SOME arms like Adams and Ohl where there are real questions as to whether they are ML SP material. If the answer is no, then they are throwing every 4th day instead of 5, but fewer innings. Throwing more often in time, but less throws. 

    Ohl and Adams have, more or less, been on this program all season. Imagine 2026 and beyond where your pen has a traditional top 5 relievers...6 if you're lucky...and your last 2 are someone like Adams and Ohl who can throw 2-3 innings every 3 days. That's 30-60 pitches every 3 days. No sacrificial lamb 8th man who "takes one for the team" and then gets shipped out. And no 8th man that makes you shake in your seat when pressed to pitch in the 10th inning of a tied game. 

    Instead, you have a couple guys with solid stuff that they can maintain for a couple innings. Not flame throwing 8th or 9th inning guys. And not quite good enough to go beyond 1, 1 1/2, or maybe 2 times through a lineup. 

     

    Let’s fill as many spots with pitchers that might be helpful next year. That is more important than how they are used. Let’s make sure they are seeing major league batters.

    If the best way to do that is one of these plans then I am in. If it is a traditional model I am in. It isn’t going to keep Taj Bradley from starting next year if he is coming out of the pen the remainder of this year. It might even be nice to see how he throws when he knows he won’t see the line up more than once. Let’s prioritize arms in the minors that they know will be on the 40 next year over pitchers currently in the pen over the age of 30.

    5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

    If this is justba way to see more potential starters for the rest of 2026, ok I guess. You might pull it off. Might, but 4 relievers in the pen is tough. 

    Full season? The whole idea of "piggyback" starters, or 3--4 inning starters in general, just doesn't work, nor make much sense.

    I don't think they'd have to worry about only having 4 relievers too often because a) I don't think Ober actually gets reduced into a piggyback role b) Pablo will be back eventually and c) they're already riding the DFA merry-go-round.  They can always cycle through that if the need an extra fresh arm for a couple days

    4 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

    I don't think they'd have to worry about only having 4 relievers too often because a) I don't think Ober actually gets reduced into a piggyback role b) Pablo will be back eventually and c) they're already riding the DFA merry-go-round.  They can always cycle through that if the need an extra fresh arm for a couple days

    Right, they might be able to pull it off for the rest of 2025.

    Might.

    None of the 3-4 inning guys will always go 3-4 innings, and you still need a bullpen for when Ryan or Lopez go 5-6. 

    Hardly anyone even carries a single long reliever any more.  We're essentially talking 6 to 8 long relievers here. And the proposal above has them going once every 5 days.

     

     

    15 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

    Right, they might be able to pull it off for the rest of 2025.

    Might.

    None of the 3-4 inning guys will always go 3-4 innings, and you still need a bullpen for when Ryan or Lopez go 5-6. 

    Hardly anyone even carries a single long reliever any more.  We're essentially talking 6 to 8 long relievers here. And the proposal above has them going once every 5 days.

     

     

    I wouldn't want them to for a full year.  I think they could get by with a piggyback for a spot in the rotation, but probably not much more than that

    47 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

    I don't think they'd have to worry about only having 4 relievers too often because a) I don't think Ober actually gets reduced into a piggyback role b) Pablo will be back eventually and c) they're already riding the DFA merry-go-round.  They can always cycle through that if the need an extra fresh arm for a couple days

    Plus they can add a 14th pitcher in September. 

    One of the silver linings to a lost season is being able to do things like this. I would do the same thing with the lineup. No more “guessing” if so and so can make it in the bigs. Our “guessing “ track record leaves something to be desired - let the players show you the answer. In the long run I’m with @Riverbrian  I want to see the best pitchers pitch the most innings however that looks - forget about the labels. If Prellip is a stud for 4 innings then have him pitch 4.  Don’t arbitrarily turn him into a 1 inning guy because that’s the traditional role. I also want to ditch this idea that if a young pitcher is in the pen for a year or two that their starting development is hindered. Way too many examples of this happening successfully (see Johan Santana).  I actually think our pen could be filled with some of these young pitchers with promise - can’t be worse than the pens we have had filled with castoffs and rejects. Again by doing this the young pitchers will show you who is a potential starter, who is a reliever and who is AAAA. 




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