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    Dear Falvey, You Can't Trade Away Joe Ryan

    Rival teams are watching Joe Ryan. The Twins should not even entertain the idea.

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    With the trade deadline approaching and the Twins still stuck under .500, it’s no surprise that teams are calling to ask about players. What is surprising is who they’re asking about, and who the Twins might actually be listening on. According to MLB Network and reporter Jon Morosi, multiple teams are monitoring Joe Ryan, including the Boston Red Sox, as a potential deadline trade target. Let’s stop right here. That should not even be a conversation. Trading Joe Ryan would be, without exaggeration, a franchise-level mistake.

    Ryan has been brilliant this season, earning a deserved spot in the 2025 MLB All-Star Game and leading the team’s rotation with a 2.76 ERA and a 0.89 WHIP, the third-best mark in all of baseball. With Pablo López sidelined and the rest of the rotation in chaos, Ryan hasn’t just held steady, he’s taken on the role of staff ace and delivered the best stretch of his young career exactly when the team needed it most. In the midst of a disappointing season and amid growing uncertainty about the team’s direction, Joe Ryan has been one of the few things the Twins can truly feel good about.

    Not only is he thriving now, but he’s also cost-controlled and under team control through 2027. This is just his first arbitration year. He’ll likely earn somewhere around $8 million next year, then around $15 million in 2027. That’s affordable for a mid-rotation starter, let alone a legitimate top-of-the-rotation arm trending upward. His age, contract, performance, and personality all make him one of the most valuable pitchers in baseball, and while that may sound like the perfect formula for a trade chip, it’s actually the reason you don’t move him. These are the exact types of players you build around, not flip for future maybes.

    And that’s the real issue here. If you deal Joe Ryan, what exactly are you trying to get in return? Prospects? A few Top 100 guys? Maybe one pitcher and two hitters, or vice versa? Let’s say you hit on one of them. Great, you got one impact player. The other two flame out, because that’s how this works. You end up spending years hoping to replace the guy you already had. Why not just keep the guy who’s already proven he can pitch like a frontline starter, thrives in your system, and actually seems to enjoy playing in Minnesota?

    This is the exact type of pitcher the Twins have spent the better part of two decades trying to develop. Since Johan Santana in 2005, the only two starting pitchers the Twins have turned into All-Stars from within are José Berríos and Joe Ryan. That’s it. And while Berríos had his moments, Ryan is trending toward something even more special. His buy-in to analytics, his work ethic, his constant evolution as a pitcher, all of it points to a guy who still hasn’t hit his ceiling. You don’t sell on that. You double down on it.

    And don’t give me the “we can’t afford him later” excuse. Nobody knows what the payroll outlook is going to look like in a year or two because the team is in the middle of a sale. It’s already awkward for the front office to be making any big-picture decisions when ownership is in flux and the regime itself could be out the door depending on who buys the team. Trading a foundational piece of the roster because of vague future financial concerns is not just short-sighted, it’s irresponsible. Maybe the next owner is willing to spend. Maybe they’re eager to keep guys like Ryan and López and actually build something lasting. Why take that decision out of their hands before they even get here?

    We’ve seen how this plays out before. The Berríos trade was praised at the time. The Twins got two highly regarded prospects in Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson. But so far, neither one has come close to making the impact Berríos once had, and he wasn’t even at Ryan’s level. Go back further to the Johan Santana trade. The Twins traded away a true ace and got back a handful of top-10 Mets prospects, including Carlos Gómez. Gómez turned into a fine big leaguer, just not with the Twins. And the rest of the return flamed out. Once again, the dream of what those prospects could be never came close to matching what the Twins gave up. That’s almost always the case. Prospects are enticing because they represent possibility. But they rarely fulfill it.

    So yes, Joe Ryan would bring back a haul. But there’s a reason for that, because every team in baseball wants a Joe Ryan. The question isn’t whether the Twins could trade him. It’s why on earth they would. You can still retool. You can still sell off rentals or arms in the bullpen. You can still plan for the future without throwing away the present. Because that’s what Joe Ryan gives you, a present and a future. A guy you trust to take the ball every five days. A guy who gives you a chance to win. A guy you can build around.

    The Twins already lived through one decade of darkness after they tore down their core. Trading away the one legitimate ace they’ve developed in the last 20 years would be the first step toward repeating that exact same mistake. This team may not be good right now, but moving Joe Ryan would be waving the white flag not just on this year, but on the years ahead, too.

    Want to see Joe Ryan stay in Minnesota? Think the Twins should cash in on a trade? Leave a comment below and start the conversation!

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    3 hours ago, old nurse said:

    So that he signed an extension there when he wouldn’t here means that he would have signed an extension here? Okey dokey, can’t argue with that kind of logic. 

    Let's say they hold onto him until the following year and then trade him at the deadline. You don't think some desperate team would have ponied up for him then? Maybe not two top 100 prospects, but at least 1 top 100?

    I would bet one of Pablo, Ryan or Ober is traded at the 2026 trade deadline or the following winter.  All three of their contracts expire at the end of the 2027 season.  Replacing 3 of 5 starters for the 2028 season would be very difficult to manage.  If healthy, we start next year with Lopez/Ryan/Ober/Matthews and Festa or SWR assuming Ober gets back to normal.   One of the three more established SPs will be traded when they have a couple viable replacements.  It would help if two of Zebby/Festa/SWR prove to be more than 4/5 type starters.  

    20 hours ago, old nurse said:

    So that he signed an extension there when he wouldn’t here means that he would have signed an extension here? Okey dokey, can’t argue with that kind of logic. 

    You don't know that he wouldn't have signed here.

     

    6 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

    You don't know that he wouldn't have signed here.

     

    Just as you  don’t know that he would have. The number of extensions made by this club should indicate they have a little bit of ability to negotiate deals with current players. 

    45 minutes ago, old nurse said:

    Just as you  don’t know that he would have. The number of extensions made by this club should indicate they have a little bit of ability to negotiate deals with current players. 

    Here's what else we know:  The guys we got in the deal have spent FAR more time on the east side of the river than the west side.  SWR has had a nice run for the last month.  Which is encouraging.  But that's one month.  Out of four years.  Where did trading away the first SP we had developed in a generation leave us?  Looking for a pitcher of Berrios' caliber.  It precipitated, either directly or indirectly the need to make trade for Tyler Mahle, which precipitated the the need to trade away a now three time batting champion.  The number of the extension he signed in Toronto should have been palatable to us.  Did we offer it?  And, oh, just so we don't forget, Berrios is fighting for a pennant.  We're fighting to not be sellers.

    On 7/13/2025 at 3:11 PM, tony&rodney said:

    Matthews is back after the break. Ryan, Festa, Woods Richardson, Matthews, and Paddack with Ober and Lopez back soon is a pretty solid group. Raya and Morris will be ready to contribute next year as needed. Whatever means or ways that can be found, the Twins need to upgrade their position player spots. Listen to those who call and call those teams who you think may be interested in discussing players with across baseball. I don't think keeping everything the same will work.

    IMO, we started the season with a fragile rotation. Ober, sick & sore hip, Festa, young & fatigued arm (early in the season is concerning), Matthew & SWR, young & trying to find themselves, Paddack, arm history, Ryan, injured last season. The only one that I thought we didn't have to worry about was Lopez & he became our 1st casualty. Soon to follow Matthews & Ober, who should have been shut down to begin the season to have him totally recover from his hip. After Lopez went down in early June, the rotation unraveled, which led to our disastrous June. FO should have been proactive, & picked up Kyle Gibson right away. But again they let things slide. Gibson was performing well, ramping up with TB. He was ready, a veteran presence, great in the clubhouse, has an excellent history with the Twins & can eat innings. I'm not sure but I think BAL was on the hook for his salary.  

    A month & a half later, I agree it's not as ideal. Kyle Gibson has been idle for a couple of weeks, Festa & SWR have found their footing, Ryan has been our anchor, Yes, Ober & Matthews are on their way back but It'll take a while for them to be 100% & get their mechanics back on track. Lopez won't be back until Sept. & what condition will he be? We are still fragile. How long can Paddack keep it it up? When will Festa's arm wear down? Ryan isn't immune to the injury bug. We have no one in AAA who can contribute. IMO, if we had Gibson from the time Lopez went down we could have stayed off the June plunge & be leading the wild card race not trying to keep our head above water. We still could use him, Paddack could be moved to long relief or even move Gibson there later on. For us to make it to the postseason, we need a strong rotation & BP. We are not there. The way things are right now, our pitching will peter out again.

    On 7/13/2025 at 10:20 PM, Rod Carews Birthday said:

    Yes.  For a different team and more money than the Twins were likely willing to offer.  That ship sailed long ago.

     

    Yeah, the "problem" wasn't that he wasn't going to keep playing (i.e. sign another contract, new or extended), it was that it wasn't going to be with the Twins. 

    Infinitely more likely that he ended up with the Blue Jay's even if he wasn't traded there than doing a complete 180 and signiing with the Twins after his contract expired.  The only real choices were to trade him, or simply flog him until his contract expired and take the comp pick.

    The Twins might not have gotten "equal value" in return, but Toronto really overpaid for a couple of months of disappointing pitching. 

    44 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

    IMO, we started the season with a fragile rotation. Ober, sick & sore hip, Festa, young & fatigued arm (early in the season is concerning), Matthew & SWR, young & trying to find themselves, Paddack, arm history, Ryan, injured last season. The only one that I thought we didn't have to worry about was Lopez & he became our 1st casualty. Soon to follow Matthews & Ober, who should have been shut down to begin the season to have him totally recover from his hip. After Lopez went down in early June, the rotation unraveled, which led to our disastrous June. FO should have been proactive, & picked up Kyle Gibson right away. But again they let things slide. Gibson was performing well, ramping up with TB. He was ready, a veteran presence, great in the clubhouse, has an excellent history with the Twins & can eat innings. I'm not sure but I think BAL was on the hook for his salary.  

    A month & a half later, I agree it's not as ideal. Kyle Gibson has been idle for a couple of weeks, Festa & SWR have found their footing, Ryan has been our anchor, Yes, Ober & Matthews are on their way back but It'll take a while for them to be 100% & get their mechanics back on track. Lopez won't be back until Sept. & what condition will he be? We are still fragile. How long can Paddack keep it it up? When will Festa's arm wear down? Ryan isn't immune to the injury bug. We have no one in AAA who can contribute. IMO, if we had Gibson from the time Lopez went down we could have stayed off the June plunge & be leading the wild card race not trying to keep our head above water. We still could use him, Paddack could be moved to long relief or even move Gibson there later on. For us to make it to the postseason, we need a strong rotation & BP. We are not there. The way things are right now, our pitching will peter out again.

    We can check back on how things went in October. Right now, and really thus far in the season, pitching has been solid overall. The main concerns have been poor defense, sparse offense, slow position players, and shoddy base-running. 

    No team in baseball has too much pitching. The Twins are better off than most. If the Twins continue to maintain the same collection of position players and roll it back, again, next year we can not expect anything better than dull baseball. 

     

    2 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

    We can check back on how things went in October. Right now, and really thus far in the season, pitching has been solid overall. The main concerns have been poor defense, sparse offense, slow position players, and shoddy base-running. 

    No team in baseball has too much pitching. The Twins are better off than most. If the Twins continue to maintain the same collection of position players and roll it back, again, next year we can not expect anything better than dull baseball. 

     

    I'm also very concerned with our poor defense, poor baserunning, some players like Correa, not producing, plus a lack of chemistry most of the time. We need to do some changes to compete. Twins have been solid in pitching since '19. But have limped to the finish line every year except '23. '23, where we had a strong veteran rotation- Lopez, Gray, Ryan, Ober, Maeda & Paddack, BP- Duran, Jax, Thielbar, Stewart, Winder, Sands, Pagan with Paddack & Varland came on strong. That was able to support Baldelli's 1-inning RP philosophy & not get burned out. '24 & '25 we have holes in our pitching & they are not being filled properly. That's what kept us from the '24 postseason & will keep us out of the '25 postseason.




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