The Twins' 12 Biggest Offseason Questions (& Their Answers) - Part 2

[USAFChief]

3 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

That’s why I didn’t say that.

There is logic in this statement you made though, it’s actually true the way you phrased it. Simple example is a strikeout for a hitter is much less bad than GIDP with bases loaded and zero outs.  In that same situation the strikeout for the pitcher is great.  

Comparatively few balls in play result in double plays. Such a canard.

It is ALWAYS better for a batter to put the ball in play rather than K. Even if once or twice a month that ball in play results in 2 outs. 

It's completely illogical to acknowledge K's are good for pitchers while denying they are inherently bad for hitters.

As for "take better ABs," yeah. Of course. Don't swing at balls and put the barrel on strikes.

And don't K. Good ABs don't result in Ks.

[Jocko87]

3 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Comparatively few balls in play result in double plays. Such a canard.

It is ALWAYS better for a batter to put the ball in play rather than K. Even if once or twice a month that ball in play results in 2 outs. 

It's completely illogical to acknowledge K's are good for pitchers while denying they are inherently bad for hitters.

As for "take better ABs," yeah. Of course. Don't swing at balls and put the barrel on strikes.

And don't K. Good ABs don't result in Ks.

That was a specific response to a separate bad argument.  I'm not arguing any of that as a platform, all of these things are true but they are all non-linear values with distinctly different value propositions.  I didn't bring up the pitcher comparisons either, speaking of canards.

There is no comparison of the value of strikeouts to hitters vs strikeout value to pitchers.  Two completely different things.  The topic is the hitters and strikeouts and we need to return to that.

Good at-bats absolutely can result in K's.  K's are not inherently bad for hitters either.

How many strikeouts would you be willing to tolerate for 521 PA with a 1.031 OPS/168OPS+?