Mauer/Sano: Double Standard on Strength/Conditioning?

[Seth Stohs]

This is still a thread, huh?

 

1.) There is a different management in charge now than there was than the things mentioned in the original post. So, that already makes it a non-double standard.

 

2.) We don't know what Mauer's workout plan/schedule was. We can't make anything from the one picture, which was a horrible representation.

 

3.) Mauer was a multi-multi-time All Star, batting champ, etc., etc., etc. So right-or-wrong, it's OK that there is a double standard, if there is or was. 

 

4.) This isn't a new issue for Sano, so it's OK for them to be creative and come up with new ways to keep on top of it, things that weren't quite as easy to do even 10 years ago. 

 

5.) Mauer was a catcher, so I would think that his offseason workout plan would look different than a power-hitting third baseman. 

 

6.) Mauer never reported to camp out of shape... Injured, knee surgeries, concussions, yes. 

 

There's really nothing similar to the two situations. 

[DrNeau]

 

This is still a thread, huh?

 

1.) There is a different management in charge now than there was than the things mentioned in the original post. So, that already makes it a non-double standard.

 

2.) We don't know what Mauer's workout plan/schedule was. We can't make anything from the one picture, which was a horrible representation.

 

3.) Mauer was a multi-multi-time All Star, batting champ, etc., etc., etc. So right-or-wrong, it's OK that there is a double standard, if there is or was. 

 

4.) This isn't a new issue for Sano, so it's OK for them to be creative and come up with new ways to keep on top of it, things that weren't quite as easy to do even 10 years ago. 

 

5.) Mauer was a catcher, so I would think that his offseason workout plan would look different than a power-hitting third baseman. 

 

6.) Mauer never reported to camp out of shape... Injured, knee surgeries, concussions, yes. 

 

There's really nothing similar to the two situations. 

 

Yes, it is still a thread, and it made a significant turn when another poster injected the following concept into the discussion: It is reasonable to think that the reason for Sano's treatment is because of the color of his skin. 

 

Regarding your bullets:

 

1.) It has already been demonstrated that Mauer's off-season strength and conditioning program was limited to stretching and cardio, and this continued despite the Falvey Twins taking over in October 2016, and continued up until Mauer's retirement after the 2018 season. During the season, his program consisted of 90 minutes of stretching before batting practice and another hour on postgame maintenance. This is all documented.

 

2.) Mauer stated in 3/2014 that "all" of his leg workouts were by catching bullpens in the past. That is 10 years without lifting leg weights. Talk about a golden boy. Simultaneously, mixed in there were 5 off-seasons where training was limited. He also spent his past 4 off-seasons bypassing the team's strength and conditioning program, and instead stretching with his stretching trainer.

 

3.) If it is wrong, then it should not be OK that there was a double-standard.

 

4.) Agree. It should absolutely OK for the team to implement something for him, but it is noteworthy that it is a different standard. 

 

5.) I can agree to that, but it should not be completely void of lifting leg weights. Mauer's were; he said so himself.

 

6.) Is the standard to not report out of shape? If so, one can do some cardio, stretch, lie around on mats, do some 55-lb squats and theyre' fine. I would have to disagree here. The standard is to do both strength training and conditioning. That's why it's called a strength and conditioning program.

 

Regarding there being nothing similar, I'm not so sure about that. Again, Miguel Sano's strength has been less of an issue than his conditioning. Joe Mauer's strength was more of an issue than his conditioning.

[wabene]

http://i1.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Mauer-workout-001A.jpg?fit=1860%2C1046px

Bargain lot manager/ stretching guru geez you can't make this **** up! I wanna party with whoever runs Joe's PR

[ewen21]

 

This is still a thread, huh?

 

1.) There is a different management in charge now than there was than the things mentioned in the original post. So, that already makes it a non-double standard.

 

2.) We don't know what Mauer's workout plan/schedule was. We can't make anything from the one picture, which was a horrible representation.

 

3.) Mauer was a multi-multi-time All Star, batting champ, etc., etc., etc. So right-or-wrong, it's OK that there is a double standard, if there is or was. 

 

4.) This isn't a new issue for Sano, so it's OK for them to be creative and come up with new ways to keep on top of it, things that weren't quite as easy to do even 10 years ago. 

 

5.) Mauer was a catcher, so I would think that his offseason workout plan would look different than a power-hitting third baseman. 

 

6.) Mauer never reported to camp out of shape... Injured, knee surgeries, concussions, yes. 

 

There's really nothing similar to the two situations. 

I regards to 2) and 6) how can you say I based what I said off of that picture?

I went to great lengths questioning a number of things related to his conditioning/strength and communication with the Twins.  Did you read any of it  or did you just assume I was a charlatan because I was critical of him?  He most certainly reported to camp out of shape in 2011.  How in the world is he "building strength" during the season in Florida if he was not out of shape?  He was taken to through a battery of tests and through a gauntlet of specialists (the Mayo Clinic no less) and it was determined he had "bi-lateral leg weakness"

 

If it were from a botched surgery we would have known a whole lot about it.  It would have been big news.  It was as simple as Joe not doing the rehab he should have in favor of rest.  He made a mistake and the Twins never had little to no communication with him.  By saying he did not come into camp out of shape is to assume that all the doctors, specialists, team officials and the Mayo Clinic were wrong.  That is quite the assumption to make.

 

In regards to 3) how do you say he didn't operate under his own set of rules?  This is not his fault, but do you honestly believe he didn't have free reign?  Gardy and Molitor pretty much left Joe alone.  That bunt against Cleveland is a prime example.  Gardenhire was steamed but there is no way he was going to criticize Joe openly, although Gladden, Laudner and others close to the team most certainly did.  Gardy let that one slide completely and seethed on the inside.  He instead went off on young players for picayune things.

 

A double-standard did exist and it hurt accountability.  That is all I want to say because I already said plenty here.  If you want to dissect what I said then do it.  I assume this thread is going to be closed anyway.  Sorry if I upset you.

[wabene]

Bargain lot manager/ stretching guru geez you can't make this **** up! I wanna party with whoever runs Joe's PR

Classic post where you start reading a long thread late and chime in then 100 posts later your comment shows up and is horribly incongruous! Hilarious