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Splitters and sub-par infield defenses go together like peanut butter and ketchup. They really need to tinker those groundballs into strikeouts or this isn't going to go well.

OK, I'll list players. Matt Wallner, Trevor Larnach, Alex Kirilloff, Royce Lewis, Edouard Julien, Jose Miranda, Austin Martin, Ryan Jeffers, Nick Gordon. Even if only two or three of these players would have panned out, it would have been worth it. That's how it's ALWAYS been done, and the Twins wouldn't have been the Twins in the Gardenhire and Molitor eras without letting these guys suck for awhile. It's not about stroking (sic stoking) fragile egos, it's about developing these players and part of that is letting them fail. And at the expense of winning? Winning what? They aren't winning a damn thing, so what would it have hurt to let Matt Wallner learn to hit left handed pitching LAST year? His splits are identical this year, so the numbers show it would have worked. Dear god, Julien made a terrible throw in the 9th inning of an 80 win season! So what, maybe if he wasn't given the cold shoulder by the manager, he'd still be hitting like he did two years ago. Is that pandering? Maybe, so what, this team needs cheap home grown talent, pander if that's what is needed! No doubt Julien is now cooked. Miranda too and maybe every single one of them. But this team did not have the overwhelming amount of prospect misses under the last two managers, who embraced instructing fundamentals and giving the young players the leashes to mess up. Not even close to this many misses. I can't specifically nail down what the issue is, but with how many of these guys tore up AA ball and AAA but can't find consistent success at the MLB level, Occam's Razor says it's due to how they are managed at the MLB level. None of them can be counted on year to year, that's more than a coincidence.

The young left handers are benched and pinch hit for against left handed pitching WAAAAAY more often than they did under the past FO and managers. The young players get pulled late in games for defensive replacements and pulled for pinch runners WAAAAY more often than they used to. They show next to no trust in these guys. I'm sure Gardenhire and Molitor would get frustrated by the learning curve of young players too, but the frustration didn't let it impact their in-game decisions like it does now. These young guys need these opportunities and they need to know the team and the manger trust them to play in those opportunities.

For about a decade the Twins have struggled to turn actual top 100 prospect talent into consistent MLB hitters. But now they’ll do it with lesser prospects from other clubs? I don’t think that’s ever going to payoff with the team and manager always pulling these young players from the high stress batting matchups, base running situations and late game defensive assignments. If they continue to refuse to show trust and confidence in players based on age and experience, and don’t let them fail enough to learn to win, we’re just back at the beginning.

Dang dude, I think you cracked the code! The Pohlad’s probably copyrighted the video. Not only did they get salary relief by trading Duran and the rest of the relievers, now they can get residuals form the Phillies, Jays, Rays, Rangers and Dodgers by sending their entrance videos along with them! Such a smart move!

Team ERA? Who would judge these guys individually based on that? But if ERA is your qualifier, than Durán, Stewart, Varland and Coulombe should have gotten HOF caliber talent in return.

Right, they probably traded three of the four most valuable relief arms at the deadline. Traded ten MLB players total. And the most depressing statement I saw was that with all of those MLB caliber players moved, the Twins somehow didn't get a single consensus top 100 prospect.

Man, most years when the team is struggling I want them to get moving on brining the young studs up. Not this year, the MLB clubhouse is almost certainly a toxic space right now. Bad play, bad managing and bad vibes are contagious, keep them away.

The complete tear down means this organization failed. It's admirable that they recognize that. But when there are going to be new owners, new front office and a new manager, the outgoing people, who just acknowledged failure, SHOULD NOT be the one's making these long term decisions. I don't want a new owner, with a new front office, with presumedly a different vision, stuck with guys that Derek Falvey wanted. Outside of the expiring contracts, these deals should never have been his call.

Yeah, a lot of it is saving the Pohlad's some cash for sure. But that doesn't explain the very inexpensive Louie Varland.

Depressing day for sure. So many talented MLB players removed for so many non-top prospects nobody has heard about. And people on this site are pretty well plugged in. It's just really hard to understand the motivation for most of these moves.

Bless your heart, you must be new around here.

That’s probably worst case scenario explanation if you think about it. A) It means they’re also thrifty, B) it means they meddle, which may be even worse.

Ha, I saw this updated expecting to see ten new very passive aggressive entries!

Holy cow, Zach LittelL AND Dietrich Ennes got traded? So in 2017, the Twins actually got TWO players for Jamie Garcia who would still be pitching at the MLB level eight years later? Congratulations?

Zero chance. They still haven't finalized a Las Vegas deal, meanwhile Tampa and the White Sox are trying to get a new stadium. After that, you still have a dozen teams ahead of the Twins in pecking order to get new stadiums. The rest of the owners will not let the Pohlads take away one of their threat cities since relocating is the ultimate weapon for these guys.

I mean, I doubt any of them work on commission, so their jobs all probably got easier.

Yeah, we're going to hear that a lot of that the next couple years.

Five years in pro ball and hasn't advanced past A ball and has a career 6.46 MiLB ERA. I really wish the Twins had some reporters who would ask the tough questions.

Can someone do the math and find out how much payroll is coming off the books the rest of this season?

For sure. This is still 2022 right?

Honestly, I don't know why they bothered keeping Ryan at this point. Have to think they'll trade him, Ober and Lopez in the off season.

If there's one bright spot about this depressing day, it's imagining the manager who loves his veteran players losing his mind 10x more than we are.

Sooooooo, I'm starting to think the Pohlads aren't going anywhere? Because this has been a really, really bad job interview for the Twins front office otherwise.

Red Sox are getting Dustin May. Does this mean Ryan's safe? Or he's going elsewhere?