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Whether or not 'ongoing stroke' were the correct words to use to describe posters' responses to this issue, I can tell you that this issue resulted in several post deletions and editing, pointed and non-pointed warnings given, PMs with individuals, and two in-thread warnings. To me that indicates that there were those getting over emotional about things ... on both sides of this issue. Again, at some point, we need to accept when we just won't ever agree instead of digging in for more. As to your first point above, I don't think Maddon was ever coming here to manage the Twins no matter what moxie TR has or lacks. Personally, I'm not convinced the ethics of all surrounding Maddon to the Cubs was on the up and up, but that's just my own 'conspiracy theory' and a different issue. As to your second point, I don't think many were ever seriously pushing for Maddon to be more than the Twins manager, other than Thrylos and one or two others who made suggestions specifically of that. More threw that thought out there as an aside of 'If not this maybe that.' I think it's an excellent thought, though, and perhaps a missed opportunity, but I don't think it's the result of the organization lacking imagination. I think that one is solely on ownership.

Ugh. I have lost all respect for your sense of sports style, if you ever had any.

Ugh. I have lost all respect for your sense of sports style, if you ever had any.

Moderator note ... let's not let this topic get astray. If you want to talk about Star TREK, start a new thread. This thread is about Star WARS. Wait, is there a difference?

Because there was an internal candidate that was the odds on favourite doesn't make it 'rigged.' Yes, it's obvious that it was Molitor's job to lose, or someone else's job to take it away from him, but it doesn't make it a 'dog and pony' show for those of us waiting and watching. Nor does it make these perceptions, speculations or opinions fact. If they absolutely knew they wanted to give him the job, they would have long before this. I have been on plenty of auditions and witnessed many others, where there have been persons already acting in the open position, or internal candidates who have an advantage. It is rarely handed to anyone and they still have to prove they are the best for the job. Sometimes the internal candidate gets it, sometimes they don't. But it still doesn't make it rigged.

Molly was a nickname going back to his playing days with the Brewers. My aunt, a huge Brewers fan, referred to him as that all the time.

Please continue this discussion in the 'Twins to name Paul Molitor Manager' article thread.

Yes.

Well, as they will name someone eventually, you are saved from death. If you had said, 'Give me a new manager NOW, or give me death!' I'd have said, 'It's been nice knowing you!'

Moderator note: please be very careful (everyone) about dismissing differing points of view. By suggesting other posters are 'in denial' because they have something else to say that is opposite of what you believe to be true is bordering on disrespect. This thread has already seen its share of warnings and editings. Just say you disagree and say why, but saying things like this is akin to saying they just don't know any better.

Or maybe not.

Go into 'My settings,' then choose 'Ignore preferences' from the menu on the left hand side of the page. And take it from there.

I wonder what would satisfy anyone these days? If the Twins had called Maddon but didn't really pursue him, everyone would complain that the call was just for show, the Twins didn't do their due diligence, weren't really serious, and that we're more savvy than that to be placated by it; we've been cheated and lied to again. If the Twins had called and Maddon said 'No thanks' then it of course speaks poorly of the Twins and not to anything else Maddon might want. If they had interviewed him, but declined to hire him, the Twins are cheap or don't know what they're doing, and again, we've been cheated and lied to. I've read all these scenarios in various forms over the last several days, so I ask, what would satisfy everyone? I'm not trying to be contrary here, nor am I trying to be a flame-baiting troll, nor am I suggesting we all follow along in blind trust, nor am I saying any of these scenarios is right or wrong, but I really do wonder. Seems to me that nothing short of hiring Maddon is what most want and most think is the absolute only thing that should happen and nothing short of that will be genuine and speaks to a misguided or disingenuous process. I get the frustration and uncertainty in all of this. I really hate how this organization is run at times, and gnash my teeth over certain decisions; and I am not a fan of those running things and have said so many times. And all this makes it really tough to be a Twins fan at times, especially in the recent past. But when they announce the new manager, and it most certainly will not be Maddon, what then? Is that the last straw for any? Are we still fans? Will we eventually be able to embrace the new manager and move on and look forward? Short of a free-for-all riot on TD, what's next here?

As a moderator, I am urging you (everyone) to have some caution with these types of statements. Everyone on this board is entitled to have an opinion and every opinion is valid, including ones that disagree from one's own. You may think you are absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong, but you still need to accept differing viewpoints without going down the disrespect path of dismissal over those differing viewpoints. Again, I don't care how right you THINK you are, especially over something in which we are not privy to ALL the information; perception and speculation are still not certain answers and we need to be clear and respectful on how these things are shared with one another.

As was stated by an excellent poster above 'We just don't know his end game.' But why does that have to mean that his end game is uncomplimentary toward the Twins? Just maybe someone knows something about what that answer is and very likely we won't ever know.

It wasn't quite the first thing I checked when I got up this morning, but glad to see the resounding win to start my day. (If I still had jet lag I'd be up watching.)

Wow, that is just sad, as everyone has said. No words. Just sad.

This. Tolerance. I am most bugged by the lack of it. And that is in and of itself an oxymoron. I am intolerant of intolerance. I don't care how 'right' you might be, allowing someone to disagree without endless counter debates leading to eventual personal attacks and/or innuendo, is not the end of the world. Let it go and agree to disagree. Spelling? The most intolerant I am of that is when it is my own error, not someone else's. Yeah, whatever, maybe some could be better proofreaders of their own spelling and grammar mishaps, but if the point is made, the point is made.

Chicago isn't really that crazy of a baseball town. It's a Bears town first and foremost. Yeah, I don't get it either, but it is. Followed by the Blackhawks ... a Chicago team that actually wins. Then maybe baseball, after the Bulls.

Given the time difference and being on the road, I'm sorry to be missing the games, but KC all the way for me! In 6

Ish. Can we get back on topic now?

This has been some great baseball!

THE ROYALS WIN!!! THE ROYALS WIN!!!

One to go ....

Nerve-racking