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OK. And my response is who cares? Are they not getting enough playing time to prove themselves? Should managers be managing to win games or stroke the fragile egos of players? Are we really here complaining that Trevor Larnach wasn't allowed to strikeout against more lefties in close games? Or that he was pinch run for and substituted? Is the argument that Trevor Larnach would be better if he were just allowed to suck more often? I'm really struggling to understand the argument man. Ps: you didn't mention a single player. Relying on nebulous theory instead. So I'm mentioning Larnach as an example
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The argument is that its much easier to build a good bullpen at a drop of a hat. And good GMs have proven that to be true. Go and look at any good teams bullpen and look at the method they were brought in. I just glanced at SD Padres and only two of their arms was developed internally. One of those was a NDFA. Two were trades. One was waiver. Others were free agents. I read that 45 relief pitchers were traded this last week. That's crazy!
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I think this is a decent argument. I think it would have been more beneficial to let him get closing experience, even on a bad team, and then sell him. Think that would have increased his value, but you can argue it doesn't matter cause the return for him wasn't much different than that for Jax, value wise.
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Right. But since he didn't exactly prove himself the first time, isn't really proving himself now, and had a very short sample size in the bigs, why are we in a rush to get him back to the bigs? Because he was fun for a week? Let him prove himself. There's literally no reason to bring him up right now. He'll get back there eventually.
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As ****** the reason, I love stories like Ryan Fitzgerald. Nearly 3000 plate appearances in the minors chasing this dream and it's finally come true.
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It should. This isn't a veteran of the game that spent a season in AA and AAA and really proved himself worthy of the big leagues. This is a lie that we all like, with talent, that was scorching hot and forced his way onto the big league roster. He's only had a half season at AA and now 100 PAs at AAA. They really should let him prove himself again fully since there's no rush the rest of the season. He's 22 and there is the psychological risk of letting him flail on a noncompetetive team.
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Ope, Didn't Mean to Let You Have Hope
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Good corrections. Thanks man. So, pretty unlikely and no idea if that's at all part of the calculus.
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That's a good question, but completely besides the point. The point is the fans don't care about those 'what could have beens' if the organization keeps doing everything they can to win when they have the chance. Those three turned into Soto who turned into Michael King (while hurt has been really strong). If the Padres won the world series this year do you think the fans would look back and regret the GMs hyper active mentality? Worrying about what propsects MIGHT become is how you become a timid front office that languishes in mediocrity.
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If your deadline is years in the future, what's the harm in getting more of your team to view a project?
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This was the opposite of my read on him last year. Despite his speed he seemed to be a low baseball IQ guy with deceptively bad defense. Could have just been a bad run, and I concur he should be playing every game essentially for the next two months, perhaps even 8.
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And if they are I just wish they'd let me know! I can make some money off this. But seriously, I don't think anyone's TRYING to lose. There are legitimate organizational reasons to keep some players in the minors, whether it's go get more coaches looks at the new players like Bradley, or the manipulation of service time for compensatory picks with Keaschall.
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Fair! I'll let them be on their own island lol
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I understand the frustration, but were you disappointed in the Cheap Pohalds with the Walker Jenkins pick? Or the Royce Lewis pick? This was discussed in a different thread but there is some negative incentives to bring up players that you perceive as your future too. For example Luke Keaschall is better served to stay in AAA through this month for one reason - if he retains rookie status and makes the opening day roster next year and stays on the major league roster the Twins get an additional pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds. That's true for the likes of Rodriguez and any other prospect that hasn't met rookie minimums yet.
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Weren't you just mocking someone else for building a strawman? Name a single person that's EVER said that.
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Both of these players were on the opening day roster. That's why no one should be surprised how this season went.
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Checking Tankathon every week now to see how badly the Twins have to play to increase their lottery odds.
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After two consecutive trade deadlines (and the offseason between) of doing nothing to either improve the roster or the farm system, the organization was in rough shape. Imagine we went back in time and Falvey had the balls to make some moves. Trading Brooks Lee for Max Scherzer? Bringing in Josh Bell for Austin Martin and Kyle Farmer? Mark Canha for Pierson Ohl? Those are all approximate comps for what they were sold for. Would the Twins Organization really miss those pieces if those additions helped the team in the postseason? Or, let's go back and think how this team would look if they were more proactive in selling soon to be free agents in those years. Selling Sonny Gray for two comp level prospects? Selling Max Kepler for a prospect? Michael A Taylor could bring a lottery ticket. Santana last year? Could these actions have brought in a few interesting athletes that could have supplemented who they considered their core? These seem like incremental things but it compounds and not doing anything for three straight windows is just sad. Look at the Padres. They decided they have the star power and want to repeatedly sell off their farm in order to keep pressing for the championship. They haven't gotten there yet but the fans love that team and the GM as a result. Will it be a rough few years when the bill comes due for constantly selling the future? Maybe. But maybe not. Falvey went above what I thought he would, but I applaud him for finally doing something. (but he should still be fired)
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Don't think this is necessarily the reason, but there are benefits to having them retain prospect status with respects to the draft. For example, if I understand correctly, if Luke Keaschall fails to exceed 130 PAs this season but then starts the year on the 26 man roster next year and stays with the big league club all season, then the Twins would receive an additional draft pick between the 1st and 2nd round? I could be wrong on that. But there's some (reverse) incentives like that.

