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What I said isn't rational is that you're seemingly expecting Varland to develop further but not allowing that same chance to the significantly younger and less experienced outfielder. Because it's not rational.
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I left it out because I don't think it's at all relevant. Varland is getting the benefit of the doubt because he's "only" been a major league reliever for a calendar year, but Roden get's no such benefit despite being younger and less experienced. You seem to think Varland successfully converting to the bullpen is some sort of miracle and not a regular occurrence around the league. I'm glad he's figured out how to remain on a major league roster but a failed starter becoming a serviceable reliever is not anything new. I just think people aren't at all being rational about what Varland is, and what the return was.
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You seem to be assuming no further development for a 25 year old LF with fewer than 150 PAs, while assuming further development for a 27 year old RP with nearly 200 innings pitched. Do you see how you might not be viewing this entirely rationally?
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The fact that you can replace Varland for relatively cheap is another reason the trade happened. Phil Maton only got a $2M contract this last offseason. Ryne Stanek $4.5M. Kyle Finnegan $6M. You can find valuable arms on the FA market for fairly cheap. Not to mention the failed starters in your own system. So, while it's nice to have Varland on a league min contract for multiple years, it's simply not as valuable as having a SP or a LF at that same price. Honestly, I can see the Twins "winning" this trade in terms of excess value on Roden alone. I wouldn't bet on it, but I can see a 20% chance of that. Add in Rojas and this was a very good baseball trade.
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They could feasibly just fill their bullpen with some FA arms and still try to go for it. And if things break right, they can try to add a bat at the deadline. I just think it'd be pretty unwise for them to sign Pete Alonso or Kyle Schwarber to a 4yr/$120M contract this offseason, for example.
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I do think Mauer being from Minnesota made it a lot easier for them to give him that 10 year extension. I don't think that would have happened otherwise. But, yeah, I think you're right. I also don't really remember anyone loving Glen Perkins because he was a Minnesota kid. I think he was viewed as a pretty decent closer for a bad team and not some folk hero that people are now trying to make Varland out to be. Valid, but I would respond, he's a 22 year old that has struck out 40% of the batters he's faced in AA after pitching really well in A+, and that's with really good control. Rojas is a legit prospect.
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I think it's fine to look at that, and I think it's also accurate to state that it isn't worth anything at all to the organization and that people here are being extremely irrational over this trivial fact. I can see them giving multiple budget contracts to some decent relievers, in that $2-$6M range. Those are then easily traded at the deadline if things aren't breaking right, and may even bring something real back. This is almost certainly not happening. Veteran bats in the $7-$12M range could be an option, but those likely aren't hitting middle of the order. I think a REAL free agent commitment won't happen until the crop of AA prospects prove they're ready to make up the next core, which I expect to be late 2026, meaning a signing for 2027. I wish you the best in your fight.
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I do think there was some bonus value in Joe Mauer, the franchise player, being a Minnesota kid. But there's a difference in the face of the franchise being local versus a reliever. Glen Perkins didn't bring any additional value to the franchise because he happened to be born in Minnesota. And it probably would have been wise for those terrible teams to trade him away and try to rebuild.
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Honestly, getting a team to take Correa and only paying off 1/3 of the remaining contract is a pretty great trade and something I am pretty happy about. B+ for the organization. They probably SHOULDN'T reinvest that payroll gap in the payroll next season. This is, at least, a minor rebuild and you don't try to keep payroll high during a year you're not building towards. They should look for some more Bader type contracts, which was very obviously always a great signing from Day 1. If it goes well, great you improved your team. If the season doesn't go well, you can flip them at the deadline for some low tier prospects or relievers.
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That is a mostly fair trade. But like you said, doesn't really help the team much for the next two seasons. So I'm fairly confused. I don't even think he's optionable next year, so I agree, he's a strong DFA candidate if not in the offseason, within the 2026 season. Easily the worst trade of the bunch. Would have loved Blaze Jordan in return like the Cardinals got for Steven Matz. If only for that sweet name. But, for whatever reason, MLB doesn't value Coulombe. He only received a $3M contract, and similarly, Theilbar only got $2.75M. Soft tossing, old man southpaws just aren't coveted. Matz's sinker sits at 94, that's probably the reason for the difference in return. People here are getting too emotional over a failed starter. This was a solid baseball trade. I'd probably give it a B. I just don't think it was completely necessary, forcing your front office to completely rebuild a bullpen instead of leaving a piece or two. But the return is impressive for an arm that no one would have complained about trading away on April 1st.
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Ok. This is getting ridiculous. I don't doubt there are a handful of people with personal connection to Varland that went to Twins games with more frequency, but ain't no one else going to games to see a middle reliever. I assure you the Twins are not concerned about lower attendance because they traded Louis Varland.
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Yes. Potentially. And ironically, a successful Roden season would look pretty similar to Lew Ford.
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Well, that was more so how a team should plan, and yes, the Twins shouldn't plan on Austin Martin, who will probably be out of options in 2027, to be on their 40 man roster. Could end up there, but that'd be a bad sign. Man, you're making me out to sound like a brilliant baseball mind. So maybe you should believe me when I say there is 0% chance that a new FO DFA's Roden. At least, not before the next trade deadline. There's always the chance he's given a full season of play, doesn't cut it, and the Twins actually make a run and make some additions and need some space on the 40 man.
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Correct. Zero chance. I don't know that I ever said I would do that, and doubt I did considering he had 2 option years remaining, in fact I seem to recall saying something to the effect that he can stay on the 40 man as long as he has options but is just a bad player due to his inability to play the OF and that he shouldn't be counted on.
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I can guarantee you he WILL be on the 40 man roster next year. A lefty with options? It'd be incredibly foolish for this bullpen to NOT have him on the 40 man roster. -
There is zero chance Roden is DFA'd next year, this FO or a new one. I really don't understand why Twins fans have quit on the guy already.
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NYCTK replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Archived Game Threads
Respectable but that then means they're 45-31 against the AL. So, like I said. -
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The idea that the Twins ruined his defense by moving him around is one of those phantom lies that keeps popping up. Maybe the fact that he was a utility player in college should be an indication that he was never really going to be a good defensive player. -
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That's the most curious part of his early struggles. He has a really strong sub 15% K rate in AAA. -
They're both awful. Wallner significantly less range that is somewhat recouped by a strong arm. Wallner 1400 innings -7 Runs 2025 Outfield Jump: 129/150 2024 Outfield Jump: 183/186 2023 Outfield Jump: 175/181 Larnach 2100 innings -8 Runs 2025 Outfield Jump: 104/150 2024 Outfield Jump: 149/186 2023 Outfield Jump: 163/150 Point being, planning ahead, neither of these guys should be in the OF. I really, truly cannot begin to give a **** about how strong Wallner's arm is.
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Twins Fans Left Waiting (Again) as Sale Rumors Swirl
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I really need people to stop saying this. It's borderline nauseating. He's an atrocious outfielder, I truly don't care how strong his arm is. The Twins should give him a 1B mitt and see if he can take to that and if not, plan on him being a DH. This closed era of Twins baseball was a failure largely because leadership put no emphasis on defense, really hampering the strong pitching they brought up through the system. But you are right, his bat is pretty good and intriguing and I'm not giving up on it, but it will always be streaky and infuriating for long stretches due to his propensity to strikeout.
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5 Reasons to Keep Watching the Twins
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I admit, I found last year's collapse hilarious for this reason. Specifically the final two weeks. They just played so poorly it was undeniably funny.- 48 replies
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