Woof Bronzer
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You are the one who said they can't possibly be greedy because they went into debt. Like I said, the Pohlads went into debt because they are terrible businesspeople. For example, I'm sure they expected a return on investment on the radio station and website they purchased. However, Joe Pohlad did such a horrendous job of managing these assets that they had to sell both for pennies on the dollar, therefore creating several millions of dollars in debt. "Going into debt is smart business because they expect an ROI" is a white hot take, but you do you. Careful not to hurt your shoulder lugging all that water though...
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I agree with you, it's almost certainly more.
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It's fascinating that you think greedy people don't go into debt.
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I'm starting to wonder if the Pohlad Companies as a whole are in trouble. Like they're trying to shift other operating losses onto the Twins because they have no where else to hide it - they bankrupted their media portfolio, they sold off several other businesses to free up cash....And now their portfolio is the Twins and commercial real estate, with the losses piling up in the latter. That's why they couldn't sell and that's why the "limited partners" soap opera is dragging out. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. But of course, just a theory. If only we had an actual journalist in this market who could get look into this...
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Rocco Baldelli Heads West to Join Dodgers Front Office
Woof Bronzer replied to Cody Christie's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
This feels like a better fit for him. He seems like a good guy in a world increasingly short on good guys. Wish him well. -
My favorite part in this soap opera is that every time the debt is mentioned in the media it has grown by $50m.
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I understand and agree with your logic and reason. Private equity and billionaires like the Pohlads don't think this way. They only care about short term profits and "shareholder value". That is the American economy in 2025 - it's not just vulture capital and shortsighted billionaires who think this way, it's our entire financial system. If the Pohlads were capable of foresight they would understand by now that winning has a direct correlation to profits. Build a winning team and fans will follow. Their attendance numbers historically bear this out. Invest in the team, and your investment will pay off. But no, they always just go year to year and almost always decide to cut vs. invest.
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Respectfully: what?
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Seriously, the Pohlads don't need anyone carrying water for them. The Pohlads are "rightsizing" the business because they are incompetent businesspeople who doubled down on a dying industry (commercial real estate) at a time when the whole world was working from home (COVID), who let Joe Pohlad ruin 2 media companies to the tune of several millions in losses, and who have no interests in life other than accumulating more and more wealth. They are rightsizing because they are incompetent and greedy. It's really not that complicated and again, no need to carry water for them, they're doing just fine.
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Well, the Pohlads bought the team in 1984 for $44m. In 2025 they had an offer for $1.5 billion. I'll let you do the math on the average annual increase to the franchise value, and given the Twins "performance" in most of the 90s and 2010s, do your own critical thinking about the correlation between franchise value and winning. Let me know what you learn!
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Rosenthal/Hayes : Twins will not trade Buxton, Ryan or Lopez this offseason
Woof Bronzer commented on mike8791's blog entry in mike8791's Blog
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Pro sports franchise values don't go down.
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The debt isn't operating debt, it's debt from the Pohlads' other failed businesses that they tried to shelter with the Twins. The value of the franchise has increased an average of $40 million/year since the Pohlads have owned it, totally independent of team success. So the original poster was exactly correct, spending an extra 80 mil over 2 years would have been offset with the added franchise valuation.
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I'm hoping it's more "we'll take the debt off your books but we're charging you a mob boss-like interest rate, and the loan is going to be secured by a small stake in the franchise". These vulture capital firms would seem to have little interest in long term appreciation, they just want fast profits. Because, yeah, if a private equity firm ever becomes majority stakeholder we will yearn for the Pohlad days.
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Great post. This is exactly where I'm at. If the Twins must try to "compete" in 26 (they musn't), then I think our best shot is to maximize the 40 man roster, especially when it comes to pitching. Falvey simply can't be trusted to come out net positive via trades, and we know they won't be adding enough payroll for free agency to matter - which might actually help us avoid Falvey's love for bringing in washed up sluggers to take playing time from young guys who actually have a future. Force him to play some young guys. So yes have starters 6-9 serve in a hybrid role, mix in some younger guys. Don't overpay for the "closer" label. Be a little creative or different. Maybe sign one halfway decent reliever. Basically just cross your fingers and hope you find some magic somehow.
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That is absolutely what private equity does. Slash costs to a bare minimum, squeeze out as much short term profit as possible, and then when they've bled it dry, sell or write off the asset. It's their whole business model.
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I'm sure Falvey's hands are tied to an extent, and he's probably right to think that a full rebuild isn't going to help his job security, but I just can't imagine looking at this roster and the last 2 years and think it's good enough to compete.
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If we call the 2025 core Buxton, Lopez, Ryan, Jeffers, and Lewis?, then... 2023: 2025 core + ace starter, HOF shortstop, 2 all star relievers, Polanco and others = 87 wins 2024: 2025 core + ace starter, HOF shortstop, 2 all star relievers, $30mil payroll cut = 82 wins 2025 pre dealine: 2025 core + HOF shortstop, 2 all star relievers, $0 additional investment = 75 win pace 2025 post deadline; 2025 core, $30 mil payroll cut = 57 win pace What are we missing Mike?
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Kody Clemens: A Good Player in the Wrong Role?
Woof Bronzer replied to Adam Friedman's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
One of the most curious aspects of current Twins fandom is the continual effort to pretend Kody Clemens is a good player. -
Unfortunately for Outman, the Twins play in MLB, not AAA.
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Sure, I mean if all the players who were bad in 2025 have career years, and all the players who had a good year repeat it, and the team is as healthy as it was in 2025 again, and the young kids come up fully formed and turn into all stars, and the bullpen whisperer creates a strong bullpen without adding to payroll, and the rest of the Central decides not to try like in 2023, sure, this team could get to .500.
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I am amazed at how many Twins fans are operating under the illusion that the "core" of the roster is somehow untouchable and worth preserving. Vegas has this "core" at 72 wins. Is this really what fans want? Holding onto a few above average players for the opportunity to win 72 games? It's mindblowing. The past two offseason the front office looked at the roster and said, this roster is good enough to compete without increased investments. They were disastrously wrong. Twice. And we're suddenly all clamoring for them to do this again? Third time's the charm? What are we doing?
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Sure, building the bullpen would help. How do you do that with at best a minimal payroll increase, and more likely a decrease? Trade bad relievers for better ones? Good luck. Trade hitters for relievers? Now you've got to add more offense without adding payroll.
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They went from around a 75 win team to a 57 win team in 2 months after he "improved" the team. If his plan was to make the 25 team better he failed spectacularly, and quite possibly pulled off the worst trade deadline of any team in the history of the sport. For his sake I hope he was lying!
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"The Chicago White Sox front office believes their roster can compete for the Central next year" still sounds bonkers. And yet the Sox were a few games better than the Twins post-deadline.
