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  1. TheLeviathan
    That's certainly not the way it's phrased. The phrase is always that we "send cash" to offset things. I'd welcome some link in detail explaining how the Twins are paying this, but the phrasing clearly indicates that the Twins are basically sending money to the Angels. Not picking up his pay checks as you guys seem to be implying.
  2. TheLeviathan
    My understanding is they are, according to Bernadino, "sending along" 4M. I don't think they are directly paying Ricky Nolasco, unless you have some other source?
  3. TheLeviathan
    So...now you're going to argue the Pohlads wouldn't be involved in cutting a check for 15-20M for a buyout? C'mon. Hell, I'm shocked they paid as much as they did.
  4. TheLeviathan
    He is demonstrably, clearly better. He is a career 107 ERA+ compared to Nolasco's 89. And before you cite predictive stats, Santiago has beat those predictive stats every year. Nolasco has under-performed them. So, yes. He's a better pitcher. Only the Angels are paying 8M. If they flip him in three months to the Yankees for a bag of hammers, the Yankees will pay him 12M, unless the Angels pass that cash along with him. So, again, you're making an assumption. Here are the non-assumptions: By every measure on the field Santiago has been a better pitcher for the last 5 years. Santiago will have a lower salary next year. Short of Nolasco learning to hit 40 homeruns or some other wild assumption, he'll be a less valuable player based on those two things: he's a worse pitcher making more money. Saying nothing about age, Santiago being a lefty, or anything else.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Again, do you know of any alien races that worship Ricky Nolasco as a god? Or should we continue to posit things totally unrealistic as alternatives for fun? Otherwise I find that exercise totally pointless. The Pohlads were never going to do that, so why continue to fantasize otherwise?
  6. TheLeviathan
    To the Angels he is 8M. To any other team that were to acquire him, he's a 12M dollar pitcher unless the Angels include that cash. And even if both are making 8M, one is a better pitcher. So, if the pricetag is the same, the superior pitcher has more value. So, the point still stands regardless.
  7. TheLeviathan
    I don't think the Angels wanted to deal Santiago. I think they were desperate for upside and gave up a clearly better starter for a clearly inferior one. At the 2017 deadline Ricky Nolasco will have a salary of 12M and on the hook for another season at 13M. Santiago will be 9M and a pending FA. What we paid to LAA in this deal is utterly irrelevant to that comparison. Santiago will have a lower salary number and likely be a better pitcher.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I'm calling into question your justifications. Not forcing you into a binary choice. I don't even care what you call your grade. If you give them a Z with good reasons, I care less than you giving a D with bad reasons. I'm wondering if we're being realistic in how we assess these. Look, could he have dealt those guys? Maybe, but can you cite even one time in which a rebuilding team traded 80-90% of the guys that should be dealt? Of late, a team even making three separate deals is relatively rare. Hell, the Yankees are generally lauded for this deadline and they still have plenty of similar deadweight that should have been dealt on their roster, are we applying the same standards? I don't want to build Anthony a gold statue. I don't even want to give him a grade, I jsut want to be fair in how we look at this.
  9. TheLeviathan
    To the team we are trading Santiago to - he makes less money than Nolasco. So no, that's not correct. He's a better pitcher with a lower salary. I don't think he's going to have magical value. He'll just, almost certainly, have better than negative value. And Meyer has given us plenty of reasons to dismiss him. I don't blame you for having hope, but it's totally baseless hope at this point. The kid can't even stay on the field much less perform.
  10. TheLeviathan
    I didn't say much better. I said he's better. And he is better. Santiago has next to zero chance of having as equally crappy value as Nolasco has. Mostly because he's a better pitcher making less money. If we're going to judge this trade on "They should've done a buyout" we might as well start suggesting they blackmail Nolasco into retiring. Or that aliens will come and declare Nolasco their new king and whisk him to another planet. They are pretty much equally on the table as a buyout.
  11. TheLeviathan
    What qualifies as amazing? Do people think rebuilding teams are regularly unloading all their pieces? If you're holding them to the standard that "A = trading anyone and everyone I deem should be gone" you've basically created a grade no one has ever achieved. Making it an utterly useless designation Your B is basically the best you can hand out. Or am I missing some other justification people are using to knock this deadline?
  12. TheLeviathan
    If we could have dealt Abad to get rid of Nolasco, would you have said no? I'd hope not. Of course Light and Meyer are about the same guy. The difference is that one of them only cost us a minor league invite to a guy we recouped value on. The other guy bought us out of a bad player and gave us a semi-competent one in return. Basically, we used our Pat Light to much more value than Boston used their Pat Light.
  13. TheLeviathan
    I think people are trying too hard to judge this based on assumptions. Right now all we can do is judge it based on what we know it did: We're rid of Nolasco, we have more flexibility, and we have a better starter out of it. The only negative is the odds you put on Meyer being anything remotely close to a good piece. Since I don't see that happening (sadly), I'd say the positives we know right now far outweigh the negatives.
  14. TheLeviathan
    Meyer is someone else's buy-low hope and a prayer. He had no value to this team and no foreseeable value in trade. To leverage someone's hope and a prayer into taking Nolasco is an unqualified victory.
  15. TheLeviathan
    We traded the flailing hope that Meyer will be something to get a semi-competent starter and dump a dumpster-fire. I really don't get anything other than this reaction to the deal: http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Chuck-Norris-Thumbs-Up-Meme-16.jpg
  16. TheLeviathan
    Can we make a filter exception for Kepler? I want "Der Wunderkid" to automatically replace Kepler in all posts on this site.
  17. TheLeviathan
    Only 4M? Pfft, this is an easy win then. If we are paying nothing for Nolasco next year, this trade is a definite win.
  18. TheLeviathan
    Which, normally, I'd agree with. But since this team was clearly, actively looking for trades....perhaps there wasn't much interest?
  19. TheLeviathan
    This speculation makes me even more curious. Hutchinson, Reid-Foley, and Harris is a deal I'd have taken.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I really want to know what was on the table between the Jays and Twins for Ervin.
  21. TheLeviathan
    In 5 years we can judge the outcome, I would suggest Seth's 2-2 line was more about the idea of the trade. We took a roster invite guy and turned him into a former 37th pick by selling high. I don't care so much about the long term results at this point, I strongly agree with that philosophy of asset management/acquisition.
  22. TheLeviathan
    I heartily endorse this approach. Whether Light becomes a factor or not, this is a good trade.
  23. TheLeviathan
    Sellers market boys. Keep sellin.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Just play him, I don't really care where.
  25. TheLeviathan
    I think this says how I'm feeling these days....
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