TheLeviathan

Why should he be embarrassed? That was a beautiful lateral from inside the pile to break that guy for a second touchdown in less than 10 seconds. That took skills! This team is destined for 8-8 and narrowly missing the playoffs. The worst scenario really.

They had a lane to salvage this season, but what an awful performance. They happen, but there was no more margin for that kind of error. Now we're in the stupid 10-15 range of picks and no second round pick. Plus, our biggest playmaker on defense is highly unlikely to be retained. This team has some nice young talent, but it's time to start purging the aging, overpaid players.

This has been a trend with Zimmer for awhile. Look how long it took Harris and Wilson to get playing time. Wilson was stuck behind the husk of Ben Gedeon for what seemed like a decade.

The Bears stink on offense but any win in Chicago is a good win.

No mention of Roger Clemens MVP Baseball? Those goofy name mutations to avoid paying a license were incredible! Plus it was a fun game....

I'm with Dan that they should look to swing for upside in a QB. I think Trey Lance is gone by the time they pick (if not...get him!) but it's time to invest a 1st/2nd into a QB to develop. Next year, given Cousins' contract and the baffling extension, would be an ideal time to do it. I love Lance and, fun fact, coached against him when he was a freshman. I wish I would've offered to be his agent that day.....

I'm honestly not sure that's true. This is a weird year, but there is talent here and things are showing improvement. I'm just going to point out that the offensive line has looked really, really good again today. It might be they've found a group that can work together. The young defense is making major strides too. My concern is that they A) gave up a high second round pick for a rental and the team doesn't look to have much flexibility to add talent. So maybe they are further than I think, but the young talent is progressing really well.

You can take enjoyment from watching the building blocks of the future develop. Gladney looks like a player. Wonnum does too. I like what I have seen from Dantzler and Hand too. Cleveland has some stuff to clean up, but his blocking on the move is phenomenal. Bradbury is progressing. Jefferson is a stud. The problem remains Kirk Cousins, but this team probably isn't as far off as some think, they just have a nightmare situation with their cap to get much better.

The young pass rush was not good, but the young secondary played well. It won't get mentioned as much as it should, but the offensive line was really, really good today.

IMO that was the call to fit the "play to win" mentality. The playcall had 6 wide open if Mattison put his head up.

LOL....Vikings.

Irv getting the ball, Lynch getting a push up the middle on pass rushing situations, dominating in Seattle....holy crap!

Love what they did in the draft. This is how teams rebuild. He's acquired a bunch of solid centers to help guys like Fiala and Kaprasov have big development years, they have a good defense locked up long-term with an up and coming goalie. But the sneaky smart part: They added a bunch of centers who will be easy to flip at the next deadline (expiring deals) or just let walk next year. They could have substantial cap room to go get a player in 2021 and they have a crop of young guys on the way up. We still have to deal with Ryan Suter, but at least we have real direction on this team.

For 2021? A tie, both. However, Buxton is seen as a player the Twins could/would have for quite some time. His inability to stay available to the team is a far bigger concern.

So this team is going nowhere, we can only hope they'll pick top 10 and have a shot at a transformative player. But these are some things to watch: 1. I was very opposed to drafting a WR, but Jefferson looks dynamic as all get out. This team has the offensive weapons to be a SB contender right now. 2. Get Irv more involved. Let's see if we have a potential weapon there. 3. Let the kid CBs play. In a lost season let them learn, fail, and get better. (While we're at it....play up on WRs every once in a damn while!) 4. Play Lynch, Wonnom, Watts, Cleveland, Samia, Udoh, etc. Let these guys get real reps.

Certainly don't give him away....but a roster built on needing him lile the Twins seems doomed to keep getting burned.

I was making an "ought" argument. I doubt they even consider it, but they should. He is a constant "if only" regret with his health.

I don't know, but they should aggressively explore the option.

This won't be popular: Retool, but start by trading Byron Buxton. He flashed enough to be a high end asset but there is a simple, undeniable truth we have to accept: he simply isn't on the field enough. That wont get better with age, this is peak value. In advocating this I in no way deny his impact as a player or even that he still has upside. It is driven by the sober realization that the man's body is too brittle to be counted on.

Zimmer should be able to take the talent on this defense and put forth a competent effort. Not amazing, not top 10, but competent. He can't. That should be enough to end his tenure here. I once had high hopes for him, but it's time to move on.

The kid from Oregon is pretty special. That said, if they land high enough to get Fields or Lawrence you make sure you land that player. QB is too transformative. I was saying last year that I thought 2020 was a retooling year, but part of the catch of retooling is that you absolutely should not extend anyone beyond this year as you see what they can do. Extending Cook, Cousins, Spielman, and Zimmer? Woof. This team could have been in a great spot to hit a semi-reset with a lot of money coming off the books and instead they put themselves in no man's land. Even if they land Lawrence, they've really put themselves in a bind with cap room where, with just a few non-moves, would've been in great shape instead.

Buxton is heating up and getting in a groove! Awesome! *Watches Luplow triple where Buxton needlessly overruns a ball and crashes awkwardly into a wall* There it is. Buxton in a nutshell.

Reiff is underrated and even average OL play is an asset in football today. I'd be curious what their tackle plan would be if they do cut him. They better feel really good about Cleveland or Udoh.

I have reread the original post and I don't think your interpretation is accurate because it is incomplete. The poster said that the players chose to stop playing for a day because something in the world is unjust and they wanted to raise awareness and add their voice/clout to the conversation. By you limiting the initial clause to a simplified version, you've essentially conducted a strawman argument. Your version: If everything is not ok, players choose not to play as scheduled What the poster actually said and better reflects the players: If everything is not ok and the players think their platform can be used to help reverse this injustice and support their teammates who feel strongly, they will choose not to play to make a statement and then continue to fight the injustice in other ways. Those extra conditionals significantly alter the simplicity of the logic you tried to use and explain why it went so far astray at even the most basic analysis. The players who feel strongly may have needed that show of unity. They may have needed to exercise their platform to get people talking and paying attention for future actions. Let's use a simple analogy to show the difference: 9/11 responders experience(d) significant PTSD and a host of other issues because of their bravery that day. Many of them suffer daily from it. Yet I would imagine, no matter how passionately you feel about honoring their sacrifice, you don't stop daily to remember it. Or donate daily. Or personally thank each of them daily. Or make some grand display daily. Those men and women are still there every day, but you effort isn't the same day in and day out. Does that, in any way, minimize the complications? Or minimize your genuine appreciation of those people? The simple truth is human beings don't have the capacity to be constantly, actively engaged in everything. We commemorate and honor on particular days, we raise awareness, we throw our full weight behind things for short bursts and then back down to work at it daily. We simply cannot do much more than that for all the injustices in the world. Your attempt at logic only works because you ignore what is realistically possible and removes all the complexity that is actually part of the situation. Which makes it appear easy to poke a hole in, but that's only because you've deliberately chosen to narrow the field to your convenience.

Have you though? I see two pages of polite attempts to correct your stance on Kaepernick and I don't see much evidence you've taken any of it to heart. That isn't to say you need to feel differently about standing or kneeling for the anthem, but it is to say that many of your thoughts surrounding the man and the choices he made range from misinformed to downright false. It's easy to say a conversation is productive and listening is good, but in the end those are words. A conversation and a genuine effort to listen requires the ability to ask questions, reform ideas, rethink your positions, and consult new sources. It requires a commitment to be better in our opinions. In Kaepernick, I think you've found your starting point. And, if you choose to actually take this opportunity....THEN the conversation can become an opportunity for progress rather than merely an exchanging of words.