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  1. TheLeviathan
    Man there are some posters that are really tone deaf about how they come across. Sometimes it isn't the people reading into your posts, it's you doing a really poor job articulating your thoughts to create the illusion of a different position. I, for one, will be happy to never see Hicks go back on a ball again (or thrilled if we do it to the Yanks!) and he largely being overrated here. Not thrilled with the trade, I wanted them to pursue a true upgrade rather than just "youth" and I think that's the trap that hurt the Twins here. On the plus side, I think this might be an endorsement of Buxton making the club straight out of ST. At least I hope so.
  2. TheLeviathan
    That's not your call. Baseball GMs do all sorts of things that are hardly predictable or logical. They may see him as a 1B or as a rotation between DH and another position. You don't know that perception. You can't know it. Neither do I. All I'm suggesting is that his profile and contributions lend to a player that could inspire interest. And it should be explored. The Twins have good reasons to explore it, so I'm hoping they do.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Because a player like Plouffe can check a lot of boxes for a team. Including multiple positions.
  4. TheLeviathan
    I don't understand why anyone would be arguing then. If Plouffe is indeed valuable, then let's explore that value while it makes sense for a host of reasons. That's all anyone has ever said about it. If you can get approximate value in the form of a young player or a position of need for Plouffe in a trade, there a great many good reasons to do so. And things don't always work like "X teams need 3B and Y teams don't", we see all the time that teams find ways to make things work if what they need is more like "RH power hitting corner infielder" Many of you are intentionally limiting the market to make your point, when the truth is that it's hard to always tell what the market is for a player with some versatility and a clear skill set.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Look, it should be a given that we don't know what value is out there for certain, that should be an underlying assumption we all share because none of us, so far as I know, are eavesdropping on conversations. This is reminiscent of a Willingham where people argued he was both valuable to us and yet invaluable on the market. That may well be true, the problem is we pretty much know the Twins never even tried to shop him that first season when he was crushing in July. You can make a case that he has low value, but I think the 3B market, the fact he is a productive two way player, and the fact that you are getting two years of that player will make him an attractive asset. Ultimately, though, that's up to Ryan to find out.
  6. TheLeviathan
    A lot of that was name value and past success that Plouffe simply doesn't have.
  7. TheLeviathan
    Please, just stop making every Plouffe thread into a strawman. I think we all can agree if we can't get something tasty back for Plouffe we keep him. But his team control and the weak market make for a pretty opportune time to sell. Someone like Nick Tropeano might be a nice target.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I agree, it really shouldn't be part of the conversation. The reality is that the best way to make 2016, 2017, and on better is to replace Plouffe with Sano and leave DH to Park. That allows us to play a really excellent OF of some combination of Kepler/Buxton/Hicks/Rosario.
  9. TheLeviathan
    My impression is that the same people saying "he might not be that valuable" want to hand him 16M qualifying offers.
  10. TheLeviathan
    At the time Bourjos was seen as a fairly attractive asset. Let me make this clear for what appears to be the billionth time - no one is arguing Trevor Plouffe is going to land you Matt Harvey and Noah Syndergaard and a delicious pie on the trade market. No one. No one is saying that. No one. But whatever value he has is at it's height right now and moving him now gives the team the best chance to balance their roster given the young guys coming soon (OFs) and the young stud we have already at the same position. I don't know exactly what is out there for Plouffe, but the Twins should damn sure be exploring what it is in a FA market with garbage for 3B.
  11. TheLeviathan
    You're fine with paying Trevor Plouffe 16M? I don't have words. If I'm Trevor Plouffe I see roughly double whatever I'm likely to make on the market and I take that in a heartbeat. Any agent that recommended Trevor Plouffe decline a QO should be fired on the spot.
  12. TheLeviathan
    You're seriously going to extend a 31 year old Trevor Plouffe a 16m QO? Holy schnikes I have no response for that. You don't trade him because he's about to be a FA, you trade him because he'll be a 31 year old FA that has an immensely talented player behind him that plays the same position that is dirt cheap and has 5 years of control. Seriously though, a qualifying offer?
  13. TheLeviathan
    That is what I meant. Trading for two years of a player is always going to be more appealing than one.
  14. TheLeviathan
    The rush is that he's gone after next year. His ideal value is right now, any decision after this offseason and you're slashing his value.
  15. TheLeviathan
    "Ew" is all I have for this thread.
  16. TheLeviathan
    The Brewers have a lot of holes.....that's why they're dealing Lucroy and not so much worrying about the impact to their big league roster.
  17. TheLeviathan
    If you're going to reject the idea of going after Wieters, I can understand that. Particularly if you'd prefer we spend that money on the bullpen. But rejecting it based on some fantasy of trading Plouffe for Lucroy? No, I can't understand that.
  18. TheLeviathan
    I agree, trades that will never happen probably do look better than 4/60. Not sure where that gets us.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Man, there must be a tree somewhere that grows 24 year old catchers who hit, field, and never get hurt. Anyone know where it is or care to share the location with the Twins?
  20. TheLeviathan
    Not true. All you have to be is healthy and viewed as the "best" option. (In other words - no competition)
  21. TheLeviathan
    The low risk guys you're talking also have a high likelihood of being no better than what we're trying to upgrade from already.
  22. TheLeviathan
    We're talking about as a mascot right? Obviously the answer is "yes".
  23. TheLeviathan
    The Twins have long equated "pitch innings" with "good". It's one of the biggest problems with the organization's ability to find top-end pitching talent. I'll go out and pitch 200 innings for 4 million and I can assure you it will be anything but "good".
  24. TheLeviathan
    You simply aren't going to find a risk-less FA. By this argument we should just never sign a FA. I don't support that.
  25. TheLeviathan
    Sounds exactly like our CF plan the last few years. In other words, I heartily dis-endorse it.
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