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Even Souhan has to admit that his latest article may have gone a little overboard with reports on Phil Hughes and Glen Perkins conditioning.

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Please only post candlelight vigils in this thread. This is not meant to be a bash the Twins thread, it's meant to be a candlelight vigil thread.

This isn't trolling, the candlelight vigil thing has gone back many years and is all in good clean fun. We have had several here at Twinsdaily as well.

Trout...Harper... We could go all day with this sort of thing, the reality is that a lot of first round picks in the MLB never pan out, at a much higher rate seemingly then other sports. One could make the argument that an NFL team should never draft a QB in round one because of Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf etc...again it goes round and round and doesn't really accomplish much.

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Wow. So your saying my over 78.5 wins bet in Vegas is pretty much worth the paper it was printed on at this stage?

It's pretty rare for a team to go from 100+ losses to the playoffs the next year. If the Twins are going to want to inspire confidence in being very competitive in 2017, they need to end the rest of this season on a somewhat high note by playing .500 ball, at this stage, I don't see that happening. Way too many issues in the rotation, pen, lineup and defense. Make no mistake, the 2016 Minnesota Twins are a very bad team.

That's a little unfair IMO. Buxton hasn't floundered at all yet, he still is wayyyy too young to say this and he is currently doing very well in AAA. Several top prospects struggle their first time in the majors, Trout comes immediately to mind. Also, Buxton likely wasn't ready to be brought up anyways. If he is still struggling in 3 years then maybe we can talk about him being a bust. Ditto with Stewart, he was a high school arm, those guys take longer to develop then the Jr/Sr college pitchers we have drafted quite a bit in the past. He was a top 30 prospect coming into this season and is pitching well as a 21 year old in A+. Berrios is another first rounder who has worked out "well" so far and has a bright future. Span was a very good CF for us, I don't see how you can include him in this list as well. He is a good player who will have a good career, most teams will take that 7 days a week out of their mid first round pick. Gomez was never picked by the Twins, he was part of the Mets system. Gibson and Plouffe haven't been all stars, but at least they have contributed and are solid players as well. You can't really call them busts. If you want to talk busts, then at least mention the busts like Hunt, Gutierrez. Overall I think the Twins have done a pretty solid job drafting in the first round IMO.

Yeah this is the most annoying part to me about this team, people can continue to point to the mid market (fallacy IMO) issue or the Twins are in the rebuilding phase bit, but at the end of the day these are just excuses. The whole point of professional sports is to win the games. Fans shouldn't be forced to accept the fact that after 5-6 years the Twins are now the worst team in baseball, in any other sports city in America I firmly believe that the GM, FO, Coach, and some of the players would have be ran off weeks, months or in some cases years ago.

The Nolasco, Perkins and Mauer contracts are all "done" in the next couple years. So that gives you some nice payroll flexibility moving fwd IMO. In the short term Jepsen, Milone, Plouffe all save you a nice chunk as well.

Yeah this is the most important part to me. There has been like zero turnover in the FO as a whole. Replacing Ryan with someone else internally (unless they were literally brought on in the last 24 months) is just asking for more of the same. The one exception to a "former Minnesota guy" would be Andy MacPhail, he has been away from Minnesota for 20 years now or so I believe, and has done a wonderful job rebuilding a Phillies team that was absolutely gutted when he took over.

1. 100% this, the Twins can talk all they want about their advanced statistics team, but they still are signing guys at their peak (after luck driven half seasons etc....Suzuki) and aren't efficiently finding talent in the FA market (or trade market). I would want the Twins to bring in a PROVEN advanced statistics expert and let him build out his team from there. 2. I disagree here. If you have a chance to draft a good arm, you take it. I would avoid RP like the plague though int he first 3 rounds. However, if you have a chance to get another Kohl Stewart you do it in a heartbeat. Shooter Hunt didn't work out, but I like that pick as well, high upside, high risk. No to the next Kyle Gibson or Alex Wimmers first round pick though (or Ben Revere) drafting mid rotation guys that high in the draft is a mistake. 3. I agree 100% here. Get an impact bat or an impact pitcher (i.e. an Ace or #2) with the money they spent on Santana, Milone, Hughes and Nolasco the Twins would have been able to sign Cueto (and one of Santana, Hughes and Nolasco). How much better would this rotation look with Cueto at the top for the next 5 years? Ditto with hitters. Get an impact player or don't bother, if you need filler types then your minor leagues should be able to produce you some back up INF, back up C, back up OF. I wouldn't mind some "middle" RP options though. 4. Yup 5. The Twins used to be very good at this, I think they have lost a few steps since Gardy was let go to be honest. 6. Agreed, it's kinda crazy that we are still waiting on this. 7,8,9. Yes yes yes. Well put overall and well thought out. Also one thing I would add is to set expectations coming in for the new F.O of the following: First 10 years: Minimum of 4 playoff appearances. (33% of the teams make the playoffs every year, 40% would be a little above average) Minimum of 1 world series title. Anything else would be viewed as failure. It might sound a bit harsh, but it's professional sports, the whole point of it is to win championships. Settling for sweeps in the first round of the playoffs (when you are fortunate enough to make the playoffs) doesn't cut it.

Why was May brought in to the 3rd inning? Does this team actually have anything that resembles a plan?

TR has never had the hot seat during his time in Minnesota. It's hard to say what he would do to be honest. Especially if it was to save other people's jobs as well.