OK, here goes. I just think these players want too much money I don't. At least, not phrased anything close to that way.when they aren’t worth it. It's how the salary system works, with many years of absolute team control.Every player available has question marks attached to them. True of essentially any free agent any year, thus meaningless.I think owners and gms have seen too many long high dollar contracts not work out and thus don’t want to have another bad contract or players into their late thirties on their teams. This might be our one point of agreement, to base a discussion on. Teams appear to be coalescing around a common form of forecasting.There is no collusion, It's way too early to make a firm statement either waysimply the players aren’t that good anymore Players in general have never been betterand the agents, specifically Scott Boras, think they’re players are fantastic Agents work under the direction of the individual players and will be fired if they don't deliver.and should be compensated for past performances. Forecasts are based on past performances, with tweaks for downward progression of course, and again the CBA agreed to by both sides has limited the market to specific playersHow many big time free agents have the Astros signed? How many have the Indians signed? It just doesn’t work to build through aging players. Straw man argument, since no one is saying to build that way.I for one am glad the owners are taking a stand. I don't see a sudden principled stand, I see a convergence of methodology.In reality, these players all make too much money for what they do. Now we really part company. The revenue in this industry is there regardless of how it is divvied up. There are 3 choices for who gets what share of that money: ticket scalpers, owners, and players. For the players to be worth less than they currently are, as partners in an enterprise worth billions, pro sports would have to change dramatically.Stop being greedy and you will get a contract. Players operate by self-interest, teams operate by self-interest. You could just as well accuse the teams of being greedy by not ponying up. I don't think either position is accurate.Pretty simple.Anything but.I'm not especially interested in a big back-and-forth, particularly as it represents about six further tangents away from the thread topic, but you felt I was ducking you so there you have it. But I'm not sure this lengthy version is any real improvement in conversation going forward, over the short version I posted first. It's not my preference to seem like I'm tearing into someone so unrelentingly.