Riverbrian

Comprehensive list of all rookies with over 100 AB's. If there were more rookies with over 100 AB's. The Answer is... Yes I could list a few more players.

I'm not mad at Bader... I wasn't mad at Margot. I'm mad at whatever statistical reasoning that the Twins use... that no other team uses to the Twins degree... that causes them to sign short platoons for multi millions of dollar. I'm a system guy... I'm not a specific player guy. Our last discussions ended when I realized that you were talking about specific players. I'm not... It's the system... and yes... I knew this was coming.

You and I both know... Emma's 2025 fate has been sealed. You see it... The Rally Goat sees it, Doc Bauer sees it. Other's don't. Other's seem to think that Emma is immune to this left vs left thing. The signing of Bader which is not a surprise... all but guarantees that Emma will suffer the same fate of Wallner, Larnach, Kirilloff and Julien. Once you sign the right handed guy... he will take the AB's against left handed pitchers. You paid 6 million for him to be that guy. He gets Emma's AB's against left handed pitchers. I'll bet money with anyone but the Twins front office right now.

The defensive minded posters will be happy. He will be rostered as a short side handcuff to Larnach or Wallner. Martin will probably be the short side handcuff to either Larnach or Wallner. We've got our match and the process continues. Bader will also be the primary CF when Buxton gets hurt and he will get hurt. What does this mean? It means that Bader is going to face more right handed pitching than left handed pitching. Bank on it. It also means that when Emma is called up. Bader is going to face left handed pitching and Emma won't. Bank on it. It was exactly what I didn't want them to do but I knew it was exactly what they would do. 6.25 Million spent and it will all but gaurentee that we will have to spend 6 or 7 million on his replacement next year. Will the Circle... Be Unbroken. By and By Lord By and By.

All my years of playing... All my years coaching... standing at 3B deciding weather to wave or stop sign runners. The decision is made based upon on where the fielder is in relation to the ball and what the fielder will have to do to get in position to throw. The time it takes to stop, turn plant and throw is the difference between out and safe. A weak armed outfielder can still throw the ball much faster than any human being can run.

When I played. My decision making process in regards to taking the extra base, rarely was the strength of the arm the main consideration. It was the positioning of the fielder. If weak armed OF was near the ball or had the ball in his hands... I ain't going. If Strong armed OF wasn't near the ball or if he was heading the opposite way and had to turn his body to reset his position... I was going. Tagging on a fly ball. Yep... that's an arm decision unless it takes momentum to get to the ball. The rest of the game (most of the game) it ain't arm... it's the OF'er getting to the ball... how quickly he gets there.

According to Roster Resource. The current projected Twins 26 man roster contains: 8 right handed hitters 3 left handed hitters 2 switch hitters Apparently 8 isn't enough... apparently we need 9 right handed hitters to face all that right handed pitching that comprises 75% of the arms.

There is only ONE Parker Hageman.

He played 15 innings. 6 AB's. Called up July 14... Sent back down June 24. 4 of those days were all-star break so he was in uniform for 5 games. On July 14. Kyle Farmer was slashing .189/.291/.265 - Margot was slashing .233/.296/.332

Exactly my expectations. Connor Joe had 246 PA's vs RHP last year. He had 170 PA's vs LHP last year. His OPS was .670 vs Right Handed Pitching last year. Austin Martin had a .675 OPS vs RHP last year.

You used Chris Colabello to make a point about the age of a prospect. I responded to your Colabello example with a post that actually COUNTS HOW MANY pre-arb players the 2015 Blue Jays had on the roster. I also pointed out the bigger contracts on the 2015 Jays Roster in an attempt to show the POSSIBILITY that the pre-arb guys helped pay some larger salaries. I also included the Blue Jays record in 2015 and I also point out that they won the AL East. And you've brought us back to here. OK... I get it... You like these Rookies... You don't like these rookies. We should probably stop.

The post you are responding to, was a list of every rookie across the majors in 2024. I put them all in two categories. 1. Better than Margot in 2024. 2. Worse than Margot in 2024. I used Margot as a benchmark because we traded Noah Miller and paid him 4 million dollars and he kept his job all year long. I typed that list because another poster typed that Martin shouldn't play center and should be blocked from playing time along with 4 other players. You are responding to me... that Martin can play center. You should direct that comment to DJL44. I should consider why I spend time on this site.

Did I type "ENTIRE TEAM"? If I didn't... Please don't tell me it's completely unrealistic.

Yep and you can add this: Rookie disappears into the wind. People say... See... Told ya he'd never make it. Teams spends money on another aged vet. Team doesn't have money to sign a better vet and is forced to trade expensive talent for more prospects that disappear into the wind.

I don't do this. I don't know what Julien is going to be in 2025. I don't assume to know what Brooks Lee is going to be 2025 or 2028. I'm not going to set odds because Lee was #1 ranked in 2023. They can bring us a championship or they can be sent down with the options they hold and they can be anything in between. I'm all about the system. The need for pre-arb talent will never stop. The need to have money to pay for other players will never stop. Limitations on what the Twins can spend will never stop regardless of who owns the team.

And then do it again next year.

Chris Colabello made the minimum along with 13 other pre-arb Blue Jays in 2015. With a 27th ranked Payroll. The Blue Jays finished 1st in the AL East with a 93-69 Record. Chris Colabello out performed Manual Margot. With the money not spent on those 14 pre-arb players. They were able to pay bigger contracts to Buehrle, Bautista, Tulowitski, Martin, Encarnacion and Price.

Wallner's arm is a pretty significant tool. It might be better than his power.

Players changing positions is quite common. It is necessary to move players around when things occur. Necessity is the mother of invention. A 162 game schedule requires adjustments. We should really quit trying to set it and forget it... because the baseball grind makes setting it and forgetting impossible.

Don't get me wrong. He's making the minimum... I'd take him... maybe he turns into what he is supposed to turn into. Maybe he won't... But, what I won't do... is trade a young player that has demonstrated some potential like Julien, Miranda or Wallner for him.

Ok... I get it. You believe that Festa or the other interesting young starters are being blocked but Julien won't amount to anything. I didn't realize that this was a completely subjective discussion. I was trying to be systemic but I realize that isn't going to resonate with you while you are merely looking at the players you want to chuck out the window. Casey Blake is all you can think of? Are you only watching Twins. I know you are aware of Brent Rooker because we discussed him at length but not a late bloomer with the Twins so... no to Brent Rooker. If Rooker doesn't count... then I assume Nelson Cruz doesn't count either? How about Josh Donaldson? How about Jose Bautista? Jeff Kent? Jorge Posada? Justin Turner? JD Martinez? Max Muncy? Scherzer? Hey what about Joe Nathan? How about David Ortiz? He arrived in Boston at age 27. Do they have to be old... Can we consider the under rated prospects who are young? Mitch Garver was never a top ten ranked prospect. Jose Altuve or Jose Ramirez were not players that Keith Law sang songs about. Goldschmidt? Jacob Degrom? Kluber? Blackmon? Do they have to be superstars to be worth the effort? Will an out of nowhere Cedric Mullins suffice. Tommy Pham? Chris Taylor? How about if they just OPS .700 in their rookie year instead of paying a 35 year old Mark Canha 7 million for the same. Let's forget all of those names... there are many more despite severe limited opportunity because the late bloomer or low ranked guy gets one shot while the top ranked prospects get 50 shots at it. But... let's forget all of those names. Let's just do the math on the point I'm making. Just considering the 26 man and not the 40 man. 26 guys averaging 5 million AAV in any given year is a 130 million payroll. Carlos Correa is going to be paid 37 million this year. That's going to take 8 pre-arb players at league minimum just to get you back to that 5 million per player average in that given year. Correa, Lopez, Buxton and Vazquez combine to 84 Million this year. That leaves 22 spots to fill with the remaining 46 million. Now how many pre-arb guys do you need? The Twins have a budget... they have always had a budget. Go ahead... declare Julien Dead. You might be right but Julien with a .690 OPS at the minimum instead of Mark Canha with a .700 OPS at 7 million is your Chris Paddack example. Paddack might make 20 starts with a 4.78 ERA... we are better off with Festa making 20 starts with a 5.14 ERA. I know that Chia Pet can see it. I know the Rally Goat can see it. Nicksaviking can see it. Develop or Die. We are not signing Alonso. Every pre-arb player on the roster makes money available to go bigger. Every minimum paid player is about 5 million extra that can be applied to make a bigger offer to someone else. There are a bunch of pre-arb options who just might out perform or perform similar or even perform just a tish below what Mark Canha will bring to the table. The Rookies, 2nd year and third year guys are the key to everything!

I agree. And 2 of those will be in the minors waiting for Paddack to get injured or fail to the point that Paddack is released and the Twins haven't released Guys with money on their deals when they fail... they tend to stick around for the entire year. My whole point is this: Develop or Die! The more capable players that we can roster making the minimum gives you money left over that can be spent on higher end players. I am not afraid of Rookies... they can be sent down. I'm afraid of Vazquez and Margot who won't be sent down. Wasting the money on players making 3 million here and 4 million who are producing what the rookies will produce is just creating the same problem next year and the year after that. You've named 4 guys who you think will be better than the 7.5 spent on Paddack. You could be right... you may be wrong but... you did save 7.5 million that can be spent on the upper end if you combine with the other 3 million here and 4 million here guys.

You want someone to take Paddack's 7.5M. The reason you want that 7.5M off the books is so you can spend it on someone worth a damn... is because you think Paddack is over priced for the production you expect him to produce. If he is overpriced for the production that you expect him to produce. You have to find a team that is going to disagree with you and say... Ahh... That DJL44 is wrong. Let me trade for Paddack and that 7.5m. After you find that team that disagrees with your assessment for Paddack. Then you got to find that guy for 12.5 that won't become the next Paddack to avoid turning to those rookies that scare you. And the only way off this merry-go-round is to actually find a guy making the minimum who is better than Paddack. Trying to buy players who are DEVELOPED by other teams with no money available isn't a sustainable option.

It's not a false argument... It's a point that needs full consideration. Because crappy vet stays with the club all year. Crappy rookie can be sent down. Crappy vet costs 4 million and crappy rookie costs the minimum. Crappy Vet will be gone next year and requires a replacement which could be a crappy rookie that wasn't crappy. Someone decent? I have no problem with someone who performs like Donovan Solano did because he at least helped us that year. But even Donovan was gone after the season so future was sacrificed to a certain degree. You and I both know that Pete Alonso isn't coming. That's a whole nother discussion. So... the team has to develop Pete Alonso but we are busy with Solano and his band the endless string of one year contracts. While you are declaring minimum salary guys dead before arrival.