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I think we have a winner!
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So this is a growing trend in MLB amongst all teams, but the Twins get singled out because what...this is a Twins fans site? I wonder how for down list of concerns this is for the MLBPA? Gotta be near the absolute bottom. Rip the Twins and ownership for lots of things, but this just feels like reaching to find another thing to b**ch about. Players don't like it? Either petition the MLBPA or play better so it doesn't happen to you.
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Said it before, will say it again: They are both change-of-scenery candidates.
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Which is why you didn't get the counter number for comments blasting Rocco in unrelated arguments...🙂
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Everyone can stop posting, we have a winner!
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Thank you for taking the time and effort to put all of that out there. There is a lot to unpack in your comments, but the short version of my response is the Twins: 1) Have spent basically all of their high picks in recent years on certain types of players: positional flexible (Lee types) and pitchers. Jenkins was an outlier. 2) Have done a continuously upward trending job of acquiring, drafting, and preparing pitchers for the majors. 3) Know that money will always be an issue until some sort of true competitive and financial balance is worked out between owners and players
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I was thinking about this yesterday... We may be close to a point where the Twins need to send Lewis down to AAA for some work. Not because of the slump, but more because of where it seems his head is at. His public comments make it seem like he is totally lost out there and grasping at straws. This is where the Hitting Coach is supposed to step in and keep Lewis keep perspective, but that seems to not be happening. Send him down, get his head on straight, and bring him back up. Did wonders for Wallner last year.
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Gunnar Henderson is probably as untouchable as players get in today's game. What you are proposing would not get that deal done.
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Other than Santana and Liriano (who were basically automatic wins, SP3-5 were not good in 2006. The total SP WAR for the season for that group was 11th in MLB. The BP in 2006 was light years ahead of the rest of MLB, that is what kept them in things. Their hitting was average, but they had the league MVP (Morneau), 6th in MVP voting (Mauer) and peak Cuddyer and Hunter. They were almost guaranteed to score runs through the heart of the order. The 2006 lineup was about 10 spots higher in MLBN runs scored than this team. The last 25 or so games for this team have been buoyed by great pitching, but also Kody Clemens and his 1.137 OPS, Harrison Bader's 122 OPS+, a resurgent Jeffers, Buxton playing almost every day, and an effective Paddack. If you believe all of those things will continue (along with Wallner coming back hitting like pre-injury, and Lewis doing something) then sure, 71 wins is possible.
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Sorry, but no. In this day and age, you do not trade quality, inexpensive SP for just about anything. Two of the SWR, Matthews, Festa trio will be in the rotation next year, with the other as insurance.
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100% agree on the pitching. It is fun to know that when any of the big 3 pitch, you almost expect the Twins to win.
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70-38 That is what this team would need to do the rest of the way to win 100 games. Be optimistic for their current play, but be realistic when making throwaway comments. A lineup that regularly throws out 3-4 AAAA players will not continue to produce throughout the season.
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Agree with most of what is being said here. The SP group, led by Ryan and Lopez, are carrying the bulk of the load for this team. A few weeks back there was pundit discussion, with some assenting comments here, about trading Ryan to the Orioles for prospects. That take continues to look pretty bad.
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The only true way fans can protest ownership is with their checkbook. The fact that people are not flocking out to see this team should speak volumes.
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As you said previously, his career ERA is 4.33. No reason to believe he cant stay in that 4ish range. If he continues that, he will not be moved.
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Please remember we are talking about our SP4 or SP5, not SP1. Most teams would be very happy to see 6-7 IP and 4.00 ERA from that slot. I can see a trade happen, but only if I squint my eyes really hard. Teams in pennant races do not trade effective SP when the return will be low
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46 posts before we got to blaming Rocco. This might be a new record!
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Thank you for clarifying. I used stopgap, but probably meant it in a different sense. I agree that somebody should be pushing France at 1B. Even the best teams have positions that have little to no depth. Here is where finding the cheap-but-usable, or 1-yr make-good, contract is important. The Twins have had some success finding that at 1B over the last few years. The immediate problem is that Miranda and Julien (options 1 and 2) have basically blown their opportunity and and Keaschall (possibly option 3) is out for a while. The "we don't know what we don't know" argument about McKusker is probably holding him back (queue the references to Keirsey being held down by the man). However, to your point, when is the last time the Twins have developed a quality 1B? Morneau? Is it institutional or a run of bad luck? I think more recent drafts have prioritized positional flexibility guys, which tend more towards the Brooks Lee type. They really don't have much in the way of bat-first (or bat-only) guys in MiLB.
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I think I get what you are trying to say: You are concerned the Twins will become or are a team full of "Ty France players". I understand that, and with a financially capped team it makes sense. But that is not the Twins. They have talent with higher expectations that either are injured or just not producing. Ty France would look totally fine batting 7th or 8th in this lineup if Wallner, Correa, Lewis, and Castro were healthy and/or producing at expected levels. My point is that every MLB team will have a handful of spots (including starters) that are stopgap players filling a position of need. The Twins have had success filling the 1B spot over the last few years while waiting for someone in MiLB to stop up and grab it. Miranda, Julien, now maybe Keaschall.
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Welcome to Minnesota!
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While everybody wants to be the Dodgers, very few teams have rockstars at every position. Finding cheap, serviceable players at positions of need is very important. You can argue how "serviceable" France is, but I don't think he is the biggest problem the Twins have at the moment, especially looking at the injuries and sub-par play this team has seen from players expected to contribute. I do think Keaschall might have an opportunity to take some AB from France at some point this season (again... injuries), but there is nobody France is blocking in MiLB. Considering the cost/benefit, I am having a hard time finding an argument against France at the moment.
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Frankly I read this headline and expected to see an outpouring of negative comments attacking France and the organization. Call me pleasantly surprised to see realistic comments and expectations. While not putting up rockstar numbers, he is adequate for the moment. For $1M, nobody should have been expecting the moon. We all want the $20M masher at 1B, but you have to pick and choose with this organization. The Twins have been fairly successful picking 1B from the scrap heap over the last few years...
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My expectations are realistic here: 1.100 OPS and MVP votes. Aaron Judge v2.0
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