This is the kind of unsubstantiated opinion that makes me roll my eyes (no offense). At age 24, in 2013, Chris Archer was the 44th rated minor league prospect, after a 2012 3.8 ERA at AAA, with around 9.5K/9 Nobody would've said that 2013 Chris Archer's ceiling was actual Chris Archer's performance Pitching is fickle. I think talking about pitchers' ceilings is silly. There are too many examples every year of "WTF" to convince me that modern analytics have a great handle on pitchers. At the end of the day, results matter. Certain previous results can indicate likelihood of future success, but ceilings of successful minor league pitchers still seem more art than science. Having said all that, I have NO PROBLEM trading either of those minor leaguers for Cole or Archer