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And isn't his backup position supposed to be CF? Sure, there's a dropoff in value between SS and CF but it's not enormous.
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It's also the riskiest pick, by far. Sure, you might get a frontline starter but what's more likely is you get a #3 starter or a reliever or a guy that barely skates into MLB at all due to injury. There's a reason the Cubs deprioritized starting pitching prospects in recent years. I'm still not sold it's the right decision but there's merit to the idea. Since Epstein took over, the Cubs have drafted zero pitchers in the first round and a pitcher about half the time in the second round. Then they pile up arms further down the draft board.
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While I would have preferred Greene as well, a draft pick has zero impact on attendance. Any prospect that is highly touted and reaches MLB might nudge attendance upward but not a draft pick.
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Article: Twins Daily Official MLB Draft Day 1
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I was also excited by the pick but it was definitely emotionally-based, Joe being from St Paul and everything.- 720 replies
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Yep, the top of the 2001 draft class was damned impressive. It's a bummer what happened to Prior.- 720 replies
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Yep. And they were hardcore statheads. That board is where I first learned about sabr and nearly all the posters on the board were deep into the emergent analysis of baseball stats.- 720 replies
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Article: Twins Daily Official MLB Draft Day 1
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You could also say the Reds drafted Greene and the Reds have been a terrible franchise for a few years now. Then I could retort that they hired a new GM a couple of years back and he hasn't had time to mold the franchise. Then we could go in circles over the subject for hours.- 720 replies
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Article: Twins Daily Official MLB Draft Day 1
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BYTO didn't exist in 2001. And, yes, there were loads of fans screaming for either Prior or Tex. I'd say around half the fans on ESPN at the time, most of which later moved to BYTO.- 720 replies
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Ah, they're kids. They're literally leaving a million dollars on the table with each lower pick. Plus, there's a pride element to it and maybe he wanted to be drafted by a particular team.- 720 replies
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Compared to front offices, yes. I don't have a spreadsheet with Greene's spin rate on it, do you?- 720 replies
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All I'm saying is that every single season, people praise/skewer the Twins for their first round pick. And, in the end, we'll know if they were right or wrong. As I mentioned earlier, the Mauer pick was highly controversial and loads of Twins fans screamed at the sky over taking Joe 1-1. And that turned out okay. It's not as if Lewis is a bum. He's a damned fine prep player. In 3-4 years, we'll start to see how this draft shakes out. This is why I don't get riled up about the MLB draft. We know far less about the players than other major sports drafts, the results are far more volatile than other sports drafts, and it takes much longer to see those results.- 720 replies
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Who said fans are stupid? I said they know virtually nothing, which is absolutely true.- 720 replies
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Cool story. Again, fans know nothing.- 720 replies
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Just keep in mind that many Twins fans absolutely skewered the Twins for drafting Mauer over Prior. Fans know virtually nothing.- 720 replies
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Lots of fans mock lots of draft picks, even good ones. That means nothing.- 720 replies
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Yep. It generally raises a guy's floor but after reading that the Twins used Trackman data on Greene and still passed, that raises concerns for me. I still wanted to see them take Greene but, again, what the hell do I know?- 720 replies
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While I question the pick, it's not known whether it's a bad decision. Falvine got up close and personal with Greene a few days ago. He has the spreadsheets displaying the numbers on his stuff. We don't. That doesn't mean he's right and we're wrong but it does mean any opinion we have is, at best, half-baked.- 720 replies
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Yeah, my tongue was kinda in my cheek when I wrote that sentence. It's possible to draft position players and flip them for pitchers. Or sign free agents. Or use the international market. Lots of options.- 720 replies
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This pick makes me wonder if Falvey is taking the Cubs approach of "avoid pitchers". Not sure a mid-market team can play that game but whatever, we'll all know in a few years. I don't get riled up about the draft because when you get right down to it, none of us know jack crap about these players.- 720 replies
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Lewis. There you go. Well, I don't get it, but whatever.- 720 replies
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Another reasonable way to look at the situation. Selling on Gordon this deadline might be selling high on the guy, though it might be hard to convince opposing GMs that is not the case. I'm open to several different approaches but the approach it will be hardest to sell me on is "trade Ervin Santana, the one legitimate proven, above average pitcher in the organization".
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But there's huge middle ground between none of those guys being good and all three of them being good. What if both Gonsalves and Romero are good but one gets injured? What if one is good and the other bad? The hit rate on groups of prospects is rarely binary. Right now, I'm concerned with the 2017 Twins, a first place team. I do not dismantle pieces that virtually ensure they drop out of first place in a hurry. If/when they are no longer in first place, reevaluate. We still have roughly seven weeks until the deadline.
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There is some hope for 2018. Gonsalves and Romero profile as decent prospects. But my eye is really on Thorpe. He's right back to his old self and killing it in Ft Myers. Given his age and former dominance, he could fast track through the system. IMO, Thorpe is the only guy in the upper minors with a legit shot at being well above average. It's probably a stretch to envision seeing him before July of 2018 but we'll just have to see.
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Dozier isn't fully expendable but he's the closest thing to expendable the Twins currently have on the roster. Polanco and Escobar won't be great but they probably won't kill you, either. And Gordon is playing like he really wants a September cup of coffee. If Gordon moves to Rochester and continues dominating, he's going to force the issue some time in 2018, even possibly Opening Day.

