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Everything posted by Brock Beauchamp
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This is what I don't understand. If he's ready to start, put him in Minnesota. If he's not, well... the way this team is aligned, the first half of the season is going to be much more difficult to manage than the second half (in regards to the rotation), so I'm not really sure what they're doing here. Pretty early on, they'll get Pineda back. Hopefully after that, they'll get Hill. I'm not really sure how or where easing Graterol into the rotation works given the dynamics of this team.
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No, it's not. Trevor Plouffe, like Eddie Rosario in 2019, was a completely competent MLB starter. But the way the arbitration system works squeezes "competent starters" out of the mix in year 2/3 because it makes little sense to keep a 29 year old starter at $11m when you can go get a 31 year old starter for $6m. Trevor Plouffe has a career 8.2 fWAR. That's fine, that's what you would expect out of a decent MLB starter for several years but when arb clocks them in for 1.2 WAR at $11m, you cut bait. It's not an insult, it's just the financials of baseball because you can hit free agency and get a similar player for half the price.
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The reality is that Rosario wasn't very good last year. He was quite good the year before that. Don't promote lazy takes, no one wears them well. No one here wants Rosario to fail, as we are all Twins fans... but the reality of the situation is that he stumbled a bit last season, particularly on defense, and he's facing a big pay raise in the coming offseason. Cody is making a valid point: what will it take for the Rosario to earn that last year of arbitration when he's due something around $10m or more?
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Beat me to it. Besides, Johan wasn't close to Graterol at age 20. At age 20, Johan was a prospect lost in the Rule V draft, a prospect with upside but not enough upside to protect in the Astros system. It was only after a few stops and starts, a Cueller changeup, that Johan became the dominant force he was. Graterol is a different story. He's a 100mph pitcher with a good slider and a change/curve with potential. And he reached the majors at 20 years old while Santana only reached the majors at 21 out of necessity (the Rule V draft) and wasn't actually good until he was 23 years old. Not really the same situation... at all.
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Yeah, White was coming off a "great" season where he played in all of 90-something games and posted a BABIP around .330, the highest he had posted since he played half his games on the bounce-happy turf of Olympic Stadium. While BABIP seems pretty primitive by today's standards, it was the type of thing smart teams were still paying attention to in the mid-2000s, which only illustrated how Ryan's front office was slipping behind the times (and continued to do so for the next decade). And no, this wasn't hindsight. All of this was discussed at great length before the 2006 season by the more sabr-inclined posters on the Elysian Fields and, later that season, BYTO.
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The Evolution of Trevor May
Brock Beauchamp replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Oh, I didn’t realize we were talking about an extension today. I was acting as if May was a FA today and what he’d probably get. If the Twins pursue an extension before the season starts, definitely lop a couple of million off that AAV. -
The Evolution of Trevor May
Brock Beauchamp replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think that’s reasonable. Maybe 2/$14m gets it done, but I don’t think it will. Daniel Hudson just signed for 2/$11m and I’d *much* rather have the upside and age of May. No, May isn’t stellar but stellar relievers don’t sign 2/$15m deals. Good relievers sign that kind of deal and May is a good reliever. -
The Evolution of Trevor May
Brock Beauchamp replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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Garver was the worst defensive catcher in baseball in 2018, if I recall correctly. He was truly awful behind the plate when he arrived in Minnesota.
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OF/1B/DH depth is easy, catching depth is not. And I don't think the Twins actually have enough catching depth to really think about trading someone unless the perfect deal arises to make them want to do it. As for past catching depth, it's pretty hard to rival Mauer with Ramos in the minors. Garver may be good but he ain't Joe Mauer and while some of the prospects might be good, Ramos *at least* equalled them at the time. Or, if you want to go back a few more years, Pierzynski in Minnesota with Mauer in the minors. That may have literally been the best catching depth in the history of MLB. We're talking about a guy in MLB with 20+ career WAR, followed by a guy with close to 50 career WAR. Now that I think of it, the Twins have this weird ability to field some really nasty players at the ends of the field; centerfield and catcher. How does a team field so many good/great players at those two positions over 40 years while sucking pretty hard at fielding even decent players at the other seven spots?
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I'm going to ask you to back up a moment here because, if what I'm understanding you're saying, is that you're suggesting THIS front office made a mistake with Garver. Is that what you're saying? Because this front office inherited Garver after the 2016 season and had him in Minnesota later in the 2017 season, when he was atrocious behind the plate. Once he came to Minnesota in 2017, he never left again. If you're saying this front office did something wrong, what exactly could they have done differently?
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I really dislike that the players are getting off with no punishment but acknowledge why it happened. Thankfully, Manfred got out in front of this a few years ago by saying "teams and their management will be punished for the infractions of their players" or something of that ilk. At least he thought all of this out a bit because punishing players opens up a giant can of worms with the MLBPA. Sure, Lunhow and Hinch will get back into baseball, but it won't be at the positions they previously held and it will be reluctantly. Ultimately, they may return to the positions they previously held but that will take years and each will have to start over at a much lower level, which is a pretty massive penalty. Say you're senior management in a company. If you know that if you cheat and someone catches you, you will be unemployed for a year, then spend the next 5+ years slowly working your way back to seniority, all the while having the taint of what you did hanging over you, would you do it? My guess is that the answer to the question is "hard no", especially given just how little advantage that cheating gave you in the first place.
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Professional sports do not, and should not, operate like the jackassery that is the NCAA (literally the worst sports organization in the world, even surpassing FIFA and the NFL). Lifetime bans aren't necessary and set a bar so high that any nuance is lost should later, more ambiguous, situations arise. One year is fine as a first offense because, in the case of Lunhow and Hinch, it's going to end up being a lot more than that. Just like everyone who follows. If you get caught cheating, lose a year, and are fired, you're not going to hop right back into the same position you left. It's going to be a long, slow crawl back through the ranks, if you ever make it back at all. And that's enough, isn't it? The point is to stop this behavior and if MLB can lop someone off at the knees for half of their career with a simple one year suspension, what more is needed? If managers and GMs realize that if their team is caught cheating (even if they don't condone it, a la Hinch), they'll basically lose their career for a decade or more. What more do you need to do to stop that kind of behavior? Managers and GMs are now on notice that they're basically ****ed if they let this kind of thing happen under their watch, which is plenty enough to keep them in line because people in baseball love baseball and will do whatever it takes to stay there.
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The Evolution of Trevor May
Brock Beauchamp replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This is a really great, thorough breakdown of May's career, though I had to LOL a bit at this: "The team's rotational depth however pushed May into a bullpen role." Yeah... maybe that wasn't such a great call? Anyway, love the article, can't wait to see more. -
Remaining Free Agents (and why they won't sign here)
Brock Beauchamp commented on scottz's blog entry in Catching Some Zs
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I also believe the latter. And me saying he was a terrible catcher isn't some knock on Garver, it's just the reality of the situation at the time. People clamored to get him to Minnesota and when he arrived, it was BRUTAL watching him catch. His glove darted all over the place, he didn't block balls well, he was just fundamentally bad at catching. On the flip side of that coin, massive kudos to Mitch for recognizing those deficiencies and working so bloody hard to fix them. But three years ago, no one would have had the ability to know he would not only be so willing to learn, or even so capable of learning, but that he'd work so hard to do it.
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Keep in mind that Garver was also a terrible catcher. Was he held back because of Turner or was he held back because he was a terrible catcher?
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I totally believe that, as Barry Bonds didn't PED his way into plate discipline. He had that from day one, which is what made a roided-up Bonds so damned devastating as a player. Now imagine what Barry Bonds would have looked like as a more nimble, more athletic, slightly weaker player who knows what pitch is coming. He already had great discipline, god only knows what he would have been like had he known what the pitcher was going to throw every time.
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Some of both, I think. See Aaron Judge in the ALDS last postseason. Judge is a good defender (despite that size), which gave him the opportunity to snag that snowcone catch running toward the wall. But also, it was or was close to a snowcone catch. There's a fair amount of luck when the catch comes down to inches but if Judge wasn't a good defender, it wouldn't have been catchable at all.
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The type of depth the Twins have in the minors (few blue chippers, loads of potential MLB contributors) is the type of depth that is awesome to have during the regular season but becomes something of a lodestone around their neck in November. Just one more reason why this team should be moving prospect assets in trade for quality MLB players to help the team win today.
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If there's any possible way to acquire a legit starter without dragging the entire farm system into the mud, it MUST be pursued. If anything, signing Donaldson increases the necessity to go all-in on winning for 2-3 seasons. I've seen enough half measures, thanks. Time to push the chips into the middle of the table.

