Brock Beauchamp
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Everything posted by Brock Beauchamp
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This is all so very strange. The way this deal never seems to end, I almost expect an announcement the Twins have acquired the rights to Fernando Venezuela in exchange for 40,000 Rubles and the Northwest Angle. -
I should have assumed spycake would manage to snipe me by a minute.
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No. He was given the qualifying offer this offseason, which exempts him from ever being given a QO again (and therefore, no comp pick).
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Losing baseball games on purpose will always be worse than cheating to win baseball games. I don't see how this is really in question.
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I'm definitely not a contract lawyer but the MLBPA has close to an air-tight CBA about player punishment and contract voiding. A player contract isn't just a contract, it's a contract under the massive umbrella of a collective agreement that restricts certain kinds of contracts, their agreements, and how they are terminated.
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I'm pretty sure that's not what Mike said, like AT ALL. Don't put words into other posters' mouths, especially when they're that derogatory in nature.
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Investigate before it came to this point. If MLB reveals its own dirty deeds, it looks a lot better than... this.
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I don’t like that the players got away with it but have come to accept why it happened that way. What bothers me even more are the indications that MLB knew about some of this stuff long ago and instead of doing something, sat still and hoped it would just go away.
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Still, that's a trade the Twins should make every day given their organization, which has (probably) better players both in front and behind Raley, who was on the 40-man roster. There simply wasn't going to be room to keep him there for long, forcing another trade or trying to sneak him through waivers, which probably wouldn't be successful. And if you can trade that kind of roster bloat for a catching flyer - something *much* harder to find in baseball - I do that all day long. I scratch my head and don't really like the money/pick swap but I have zero issues with the Raley/Camargo part of the deal.
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And you'd be wrong. The Rangers had a team ERA nearly one full run higher than the Twins last season. Boston was half a run higher. The Twins had a deceptively competent pitching staff last season. They had the second highest pitching staff fWAR and the third lowest FIP in the American League.
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Great post, and I agree with a lot of it. One thing, though: it's likely Maeda also moves the needle for the Twins in the postseason. As we watched the Twins limp into the 2019 postseason with 40% of a rotation intact, it's far from a guarantee that any one (or two or three) of Berrios, Hill, Odorizzi, or Pineda will be available to start an October baseball game. And adding another starter of similar quality greatly increases the odds of entering October with a competent rotation, something the Twins couldn't do last postseason and the Yankees annihilated them as a result (but it was definitely a team effort to collapse that spectacularly, not only the fault of the rotation).
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Especially given the Twins bullpen. Graterol is a great arm but the Twins already have a BUNCH of really good arms in the bullpen. What the Twins *don’t* have is a bunch of really good arms in the rotation and while Maeda isn’t the sexiest target in baseball, adding a fourth guy that slots in with similar numbers to Odorizzi, Pineda, and maybe even Berrios is a pretty big deal over 162 games. The Twins now have a solidly above average rotation and that shouldn’t be dismissed simply because they didn’t go out and get a flashy name.
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This is absolutely a win-now move. This rotation has depth but it's not very good depth, especially early in the season until Pineda comes back. The Twins have to win to make the postseason and this move will help them win baseball games. If that's not a win-now move, I think your bar is set a little too high. BTW, I'm not in love with this move, either, but the Twins are a better team today than they were yesterday. And that's what I want to see continue to happen through this year's trade deadline.
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Groannnnnnnn. Nelson, yer killin' me.
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Honestly, you're undervaluing the bolded and wildly overvaluing the rest. The Twins are trying to win today. Not tomorrow, not in 2023, but today. They have a deep farm system that can certainly weather the loss of what is likely a reliever, even a very good reliever. There comes a time where you stop worrying about what happens four years from now and start thinking about how to field a legitimately competitive team today. The Twins did that and while I don't *love* the deal, I can't find a real reason to complain about it, either. As of right now, the 2020 Twins are a better team than they were five hours ago and they didn't really impact the farm system in a meaningful way to do so. We can't have the cake and eat it, too. A team that wants to improve needs to give up assets to do so. The Twins did both.
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All I ask is that if you’re this convinced you’re right and want to say I told you so, be sure to check back in with cap in hand if you’re wrong.
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Injuries happen so probably not but that kind of depth is good to have in the rotation. The Twins probably won't get as lucky as they did with the 2019 rotation (until the Pineda suspension, anyway).
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Losing a comp pick isn't a huge deal. It stings a little but that's the price to pay for acquiring pieces to improve the MLB team. It's not as if they lost another legit prospect on top of Graterol, which is *always* worth more than a draft pick.
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Kind of my thoughts as well. At the end of the day, the Twins are now a better team and that’s what really matters to me. How they get there is meh unless they do something stupid, which is certainly not the case here.
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The Dodgers would have to liquidate a half dozen players to get under the competitive balance threshold number. Maeda doesn’t move the needle in that regard, as the Dodgers are still angling to add over $40m in payroll with Betts and Price.
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The Balazovic thing was a rumor but I think it was a likely ask from the Sox perspective. And the fact the front office didn't move from Graterol suggests they view the rest of their pitching prospects more highly, which is probably a good thing.
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It's not a cycle. Falvey and Levine were hired after the 2016 season. Rebuilding an entire farm system to modern standards and drafting the kind of players this front office wants to put on the field takes time. I don't expect to see this kind of mad-scramble to fill out a rotation with veterans happening any time soon with the slew of prospects the Twins have churning through the pipeline. The guys they wanted and drafted are only now entering the high minors so from this point forward, any success or failure will be on this front office.
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It would amuse me to no end if the Twins contacted Boston directly and pursued Price...something like Graterol and Javier with the Sox taking on a significant portion of Price's salary (let's say more than 25%, less than 50%). Then the Dodgers have to try to deal for Betts straight-up... good luck with that, you cheap bastards.
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Yep, I think the Twins hold most of the cards here. If they back out, the Dodgers and Sox - who are *much* more invested in this trade - lose out on making badly-needed moves. Comparatively speaking, the Twins are the minor player in this deal and can back out without losing much, if anything. I suspect the Dodgers and Sox are working hard to find a way to make this trade work while the Twins are sitting back, saying "you two figure it out and let us know when you do".
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Did the Twins Pivot to a Superior Plan B?
Brock Beauchamp replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Obviously, everyone wants Wheeler more than Maeda but it’s pretty hard to complain about Donaldson + Maeda instead of Wheeler + Graterol.
