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    Twins Waiting, Watching (And Wanting)


    John  Bonnes

    “Don’t wait for it to happen. Don’t even want it to happen. Just watch what does happen.”

    - Sean Connery as Jim Malone in The Untouchables

    The Twins schedule has necessitated keeping the clubhouse pretty crowded so far in spring training. But even if the schedule cooperates there are enough questions still unanswered that a padded roster would make sense.

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    About the only question that seems to be answered is who the starting shortstop will be. Manager Paul Molitor says he still wants the competition between Danny Santana and Eduardo Escobar to play out, but all indications are that it will be Santana. Escobar has continued to hit well, but so has Santana and the Twins want his athleticism in the lineup. Furthermore, Molitor says he hasn’t considered moving Santana back to center field.

    This brings up the other positional battle that was supposed to sort itself out this spring. It hasn’t. “I don’t think anybody has really separated from the pack. We’ve got time to sort it out. I think it’s safe to say it’s wide open,” Terry Ryan summarized before today’s game. Molitor was even more blunt when asked if he had a better feel about what he was going to do about center field. “No,” he simply replied.

    The Twins keep giving the four candidates opportunities. Each has found himself starting in center field at least once over the last four days. Eddie Rosario started there on Thursday, but was relegated to corner spots Saturday and Sunday while Shane Robinson and Jordan Schafer got the starts in center. Hicks also received two starts, one on Friday and one on Saturday.

    Entering today, the one with the highest batting average was Robinson at .269 – but his career average in the majors is just .231 and he’s 30 years old. The fact that he’s still even in camp tells you all you need to know about the rest of the candidates.

    Of course, there are a lot of guys in camp, and that has something to do with the schedule. The Twins had a split-squad on Saturday and have three-hour bus drives on Sunday and Monday. Generally, those long trips have a minimal veteran presence, so it’s not too surprising that the Twins are keeping some warm bodies around.

    An extra body or two might be necessary for the final roster, too. One option the Twins have at least considered for center field is a platoon, but it doesn’t sound like they’re too excited about it. “That’s not ideal,” says Ryan. He added, “But if you have to, you have to.”

    If the Twins have to, they could try a platoon a couple of different ways. Half of the platoon could be Jordan Schafer, who bats left-handed and has a career on-base percentage of .328 against right-handers. I supposed it could also be Eddie Rosario, who also bats left-handed, but I presume the Twins would rather he play every day in the minors.

    The other side is more problematic. Robinson hits right-handed, though his performance against any pitcher with hands has been pretty anemic in the majors. But he would be the short side of the platoon and could also serve as a defensive late-inning specialist in either of the corners.

    Or the Twins could try Hicks, who is a switch-hitter but has really only hit southpaws. (And he has hit them well; he has a 758 OPS over 127 at-bats in his career.) But again, unless the Twins want him to acclimate himself to the majors or want Torii Hunter to mentor him, he would probably be better off playing every day in Rochester.

    The Twins also still have a question as to who will be their fifth starter, courtesy of Trevor Mays’ excellent outing yesterday. “I was impressed,” Ryan reflected today. “As was everybody that saw that.” But Ryan wasn’t sure what was in store for Mays, or even if he would have another start scheduled for this spring.

    If the Twins want to see more of him, they’re going to need to make a decision fairly soon since both May’s and Tommy Milone’s next turn in the rotation will be Thursday, and there is no split squad this time to help them out. Only one can get that start at JetBlue Park and whoever it is will need to be further stretched to close to 80 pitches. But of course, Mike Pelfrey is also in the discussion. Wait. Watch.

    Finally, a new question was raised, courtesy of Adam Jones' bat. Jones hit catcher Josmil Pinto in the head three times in one at-bat on his backswing and the backstop then came out of yesterday’s game. Molitor characterized Pinto as “dizzy” and Ryan used the term “groggy”, and today Pinto didn’t feel quite right. Ryan labeled the injury as “concussion-like symptoms” but said the CT scan was negative and they would need to wait a few days before they officially diagnosed it as a concussion.

    Either way, Pinto will be held out of baseball-related activities for a few days, which could open up the backup catcher roster spot for Chris Herrmann or Eric Fryer. More waiting and watching.

    The Twins would like to spend the last week playing their regulars, which really only gives them another week to make some final decisions. Molitor, Ryan and staff met for a 40-minute meeting yesterday to talk about how the roster might take shape. “We’re going to keep gathering information in the near term before we finalize what we want to do,” said Molitor.

    So there is still a little time left to wait. And to want. And to see what does happen. Both for their Twins and their fans.

    Twins 5, Marlins 3

    The Twins beat the Marlins in Jupiter on Sunday, fueled by a potent top of the lineup.

    • Phil Hughes started, went 4.2 innings, gave up three runs, walked two, struck out four, and then gave such an insightful and entertaining postgame interview that I may need to write it up word for word later this week.
    • Tim Stauffer relieved Hughes in the fifth and ended the inning with one pitch. He gave up a couple of hits but no runs the next inning.
    • Caleb Thielbar threw a couple of innings, got two strikeouts but walked one. Molitor was impressed with the depth of his curveball.
    • Casey Fien closed it out.

    On the offensive side:

    • Danny Santana led off, went 4-5 and darn near beat out the ground ball on which he was thrown out.
    • Jordan Schafer hit second and had three hits with two RBI. Yes, mostly it was against right-handed pitchers, but he got a hit against southpaw swingman Brad Hand in the 8th.
    • Eddie Rosario went 1-5, but hit the ball well.
    • Trevor Plouffe also got a couple of hits and a walk, raising his batting average this spring to .200. He also was moved from third to first base late in the game. Molitor said he made that move to give Plouffe some experience over there.

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    While it won't happen, I really wish Hicks would just start murdering the baseball this season to end this nonsense. I still don't understand how anyone watching that play could say that it landed next to him or a few feet from him. It was behind him. I watched the path of the ball from behind home. Then I "rewound" the dvr and watched again a few more times. 

     

    AAA time is going to do squat for him now. 

     

    Shocked that there is even a debate going on with regard to Shane Robinson and Aaron Hicks.

     

    AAA time is going to do squat for him now. 

     

    Shocked that there is even a debate going on with regard to Shane Robinson and Aaron Hicks.

     

    Look, whether the play the other day was a bad one or not isn't all that important.  Hicks' resume includes a startling number of comically awful routes and misplays without one more in the pile.  The guy is an average fielder, at best, from what I see and the numbers seem to back that up.

     

    The debate isn't Robinson vs. Hicks in terms of talent, I doubt anyone comes down on the Robinson side in that discussion.  The problem is that many of us believe that Hicks is so wildly overmatched by big league pitching that the guy can't ever build confidence or work on improved mechanics without miserably failing.  I want to choose Robinson to go north FOR Hicks and the idea that he can still bounce back from all these failures and get his production to match his abilities.

     

    Hicks has still yet to drive the ball with authority anywhere above AA.  It's time to see if he can do it in AAA, let him build some confidence, and come back a long term solution.  If Hicks fails again he's done and any future with the club is done.  I'd rather give that one last opportunity the best chance possible.  

    If they foolishly call him north with the team I'll be rooting for him, but I think it's a terrible decision.  One made worse by having Shane Robinson as Plan B.

    The Twins actually have no backup for first base. Brock Peterson in the minors? Vargas doesn't need to learn the position, really. Plouffe there would allow Mauer to DH at times and Escobar to get some playing time at third.

     

    If Santana does stay at short, is there a need for Nunez to be on the bench?

     

    Is Herrmann a decent enough backup for Kurt S. Would he still be usable as a pinch-hitter? He would also be the fifth outfielder if the Twins go with duo of Schafer and Robinson in center.

     

    Who goes off the 40-man if the Twins keep Robinson. Or if they keep someone other than Nunez (would assume Nunez goes).

     

    Do we need to keep the loser of Pelfrey and Milone in the majors? It's not like there are adequate backups to get a shot in the minors for the rotation. If Pelfrey languishes in the bullpen, does it increase his value? Of do you cut him, hope someone picks him up, and eat the salary. Of course, what to do about Staufer. At this point, I would rather have Boyer, but that isn't saying much. Then we might as well keep Thompson over THielbar, but then things really don't start making sense as we fill the team with also rans and AAA fodder.

     

    Can't wait until the prospects do fully emerge. The additions of May and Meyer, the bullpen rides of Zach Jones, Burdi, Cederoth, Reed. The arrival of someone other than Pinto to become the next catching prospect. Sano at third. Polanco in the infield. Buxton and Kepler in the outfield. I'm more excited to see these guys flay at the ball than to see Brock Peterson, Shane Robinson, Doug Bernier Edwin Nunez, Mike Pelfrey, Tom Milone, Tim Staufer get service time.

     

    If the Twins think they can do more than compete and actually win games in their division and be in the hunt, more power to them. They got one month to sort things out and become a team of expendables, or switch gears and hope they can resell us all on a team of future stars.

    Learning MLB pitching by facing AAA pitching? No. AAA is a place on the way up or a quick trip down very early on in a career.

    There is no way it helps him to do anyting but play for the Twins.  And the guy is legitimately getting better.

     

    Not sure what else can be said here.

    My 2 cents

     

    I didn't read into Plouffe going to first other than positional flexibility.

     

    The rotation is between May and Millone at this point.  I think Pelfry is in the pen.

     

    In the pen I see Perkins, Fien, Deunsing, Pelfry, Stauffer, with Thielbar likely and Graham, Boyer, Pressley fighting for the 7th spot

     

    In CF if it isn't Hicks or Rosario starting Escobar has shown he can handle short and should get more time to start and let Santana go back and forth between CF and SS again getting more time a SS this year then last though.  This way were not sacrificing on offense so much. and Buxton is likely to be up later this year anyway so its not like this is a permanent thing for Santana and it gives more playing time to Escobar who has shown he deserves it. 

    Learning MLB pitching by facing AAA pitching? No. AAA is a place on the way up or a quick trip down very early on in a career.

    There is no way it helps him to do anyting but play for the Twins.  And the guy is legitimately getting better.

     

    Not sure what else can be said here.

    At this point we don't know that he can even hit AAA pitching, much less MLB.

     

    Please, show me how he is getting better.

     

    So you think that Buxton will be hitting breaking balls by 2016?  I still am not sure about that...  Got to see to believe.

    I seem to remember him having a slow start at one of the earlier levels, and he figured it out soon enough. He might turn the corner already by June.

    Many comments to discuss. Hicks hasn't shown he is capable. Yes, I would rather go with a Schafer/Robinson platoon than expose the not-ready Hicks for the third straight year. Molitor has made it clear that Santana will be a shortstop to start the year. I think the bullpen that goes north will be old and ripe for regression. The young arms aren't far away, so this is an area where there will be transition this year. If Mauer gets injured, Plouffe could get lots of time at first, ditto if Vargas gets hurt or demoted. If Pelfrey remains effective, I could see him in the bullpen. No to Milone or May.

     

    Molitor may have made it clear Santana will be a shortstop to start the year, but Ryan makes the active roster and if the 25 man roster makes Escobar shortstop and Santana CF our best option, we could very well see that right out the gate if not soon after.

     

    The only way that will happen is if Hicks craps out again, and/or injuries are incurred by the remaining CF filler players.  Molitor would not have early and publicly made Santana the SS if Ryan didn't concur with that decision.      The OF defense projects to be suspect already, I can't believe they'd really want to revisit the 2014 experience again.

     

    The only way that will happen is if Hicks craps out again, and/or injuries are incurred by the remaining CF filler players.  Molitor would not have early and publicly made Santana the SS if Ryan didn't concur with that decision.      The OF defense projects to be suspect already, I can't believe they'd really want to revisit the 2014 experience again.

    Ryan didn't concur in public on that.  Molitor said for sure, then Ryan said he wasn't sure, then Molitor backtracked.  I'm just saying, it's  not definitive.

     

    Ryan didn't concur in public on that.  Molitor said for sure, then Ryan said he wasn't sure, then Molitor backtracked.  I'm just saying, it's  not definitive.

     

    Ryan didn't concur in public, but it seems rather unlikely that Molitor's first big decision didn't have tacit approval from Ryan.  This was reported just yesterday:

     

     

    Santana is hitting .394. Twins manager Paul Molitor said before the game that there haven't been any thoughts of moving Santana back to the outfield, even though fallback shortstop Eduardo Escobar has been more impressive than projected center fielder Aaron Hicks. The Twins figure to keep Santana at shortstop for at least the first couple of months of the regular season before reevaluating their plans.

     

    Edited by jokin



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