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In that sense, or context, totally agree.

Why does it always come around to "winning" a trade?? Like a team is trying to pull some sneaky ninja trick attack in the middle of the night or storm the enemy team's village and carry off all their women and livestock (Conan... what is best in life?)? My intent isn't to be or come across as snarky. Just more curious than anything why we as fans and the talking head media keep saying, Team X really "won" that trade?

Shouldn't, at least not that much as far as it concerns the first two.

An interesting take, and one that I don't necessarily disagree with. Although... Come to think of it, I don't think anyone down here uses the term "club" when describing any baseball team ?. I'm afraid we are going to have to dock you five (5) points for an incorrect usage of "Southern Terms" and the addition of Northern or Yankee words. ...and we were so close ?

But if I'm not mistaken, that is 5% of the total pool, not slot amount ?. Thus allowing for more flexibility with individual picks. ?‍♂️

I will have to look into further, but I believe that as long as the player doesn't sign a contract with the MLB team he is free to return to college (at least in baseball ?‍♂️). Also, teams aren't generally going to draft a player, especially these days from what I've seen and read, without have the framework for an agreement in place. So here's to hoping he's in Ft. Myers soon .

Teams don't, and shouldn't, draft for need with a pick this high. Like, ever (Except in those exceedingly rare times where need and opportunity meet).

Thanks Chief. Unlike some other answer, this is a lot more thought out. I don't even remotely agree with it ( but then the only time I will ever agree with a Falcon is when we are picking on the Squids or our little step brother Puddle Pirates ), but that's ok. It's hard to be "right" all the time (Go Army, beat Nav... errr Air Force!)

Probably the “Meh, He’s already 21.” It is can easily be perceived by that statement alone. Also, I’m not the only one that seeing that post as snarky. That may or may not be the case, but before taking any further umbrage, stop and reread that first statement. It does come across that way.

What? “Meh, He’s already 21” This makes little to no sense. Instead of declaring a kid washed up at 21, how about given a reasoned, thought out answer instead of the usual “fan” snark.

Who would you have in mind for that price, keeping in mind that Syndergaard got $21M on a prove it deal this last season and he is more of a middle of the order starter now while he tries to reestablish himself?

That's a very black and white take. Understandable, but I will try to elaborate. Every HS and college coach I've every spoken to have agreed with that. They understand that view and even plan their recruiting around it (colleges, not necessarily HS ). Schools will offer more kids than they have spots for, simply because of attrition due to life (things like the draft, not qualifying to get into the school, simply not willing/able to adjust to the next level, etc.). I will stand behind the young man (who is now a senior at UGA) and support his stance on that topic. He understood the playing field he was entering, and he stuck to his word. My point was/is this... he loved baseball and wanted to play on the highest stages. His first choice was college because he truly wanted to be a part of that experience, but... he wasn't stupid. If someone was willing to give him the type of money that a pick such as that entails to play ball, he would have been a fool not to take it. But since he really wanted to play in college, he essential called the Cubs bluff and said if you really want me to walk away from my commitment, make it worth my while. In the end, as much as they wanted him (the teams Senior Scout and front office came to South Georgia to watch him play multiple times and they flew him up to Wrigley for workouts), they didn't want to make that call and thus he happily went to college.

Super cool about both of them. They've definitely earned it .

Thanks much , you as well. That is awesome about the jump. Go on kid... get you some!

I would argue that comment is really just conjecture and that, he would not have gotten to this point if he didn't have a "love of the game". You don't succeed at that level and on that stage if you don't. And those "demands"... the other day I told a story about a kid who graduated 3-4 years ahead of my son (from the same HS) and who was seriously being considered by the Cubs and Red Sox as a top 10 round type of player. However, he is a deeply faith based young man who truly values what his word means and he had committed to UGA to play baseball. He told the Cubs that it would take at least top 3 round money for him to give up his commit and dream of playing college ball. Not because he was greedy or didn't love the game, but he wanted to make sure if he was going to miss out on one dream, he had a safety net for the other. So I guess my point is that when we hear sky high demands, we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the young man as morally corrupt. There is often more to the story than any of us could ever guess.

But... if the Twins could get Snell for a lottery pick and taking on the salary. That's usually the type of chance you can take, especially for a former Cy Young winner. Not saying the bullpen doesn't still need some reinforcing, but on the surface this might not be a bad deal for either team.

Pretty sure my comment was satire (at least I think it was, wait, where was I going with that.... OH! Look, a kitty!!)

Never again huh? Guess that means that the Twins REALLY got fleeced on some washed up reclamation project named... Nathan I think? That guy was awful...

Um.... no, because that would be an overpay especially if taking on any salary.

Not that I disagree totally with the thought necessarily, but bear in mind that a LOT of Wallner's K's came earlier in the season (trying to look up his splits right now) when he stumbled a bit out of the gates. Since then... well it's been a completely different story. Also don't forget, he missed A LOT of game action last year (his first full season) with the hand injury. This has been his first unbroken stretch of play time as a pro. Looking at the big picture of play time (including college where he showed a very good eye at the plate), his numbers don't really pan out as the "three true outcome type". Not saying things couldn't change as teams adjust to him, but as of now.... this kid can play .

True, I imagine it would seem to sort of defeat the purpose of the draft from that vantage point. Until the league can no longer draft HS kids, we will continue to see things like this play out. A top HS kid in the country has a huge amount of leverage going into the draft. At that point they have garnered (usually) a huge amount of interest from colleges and the pros. If they so choose, they can and often do leverage that to get the best deal they can. A LOT of kids coming out of HS really do want to go play in college though and to lure them away from that dream, it usually takes a bit more money (Enlow is a good example in that the Twins went over slot to lure him away from LSU). Another kid I know of who graduated ahead of my son from his HS had a good number of teams really interested in him as an outfielder (Cubs and Red Sox chief among them and they probably would have taken him in the Top 10 rounds). However, he had always wanted to play for UGA and really wanted to honor the offer they had given him. So his thought was, if you want to draft me and have me sign to give up my dream of playing in college, it has to be Top 4 rounds or the equivalent money. Note: I have the utmost respect for this young man and his family. They truly are amazing people. Plus if you watch any UGA games this fall you may see him playing WR this year for the football team (he was freakishly fast coming out of HS). So this (IMHO) is where you see the deals and agreements in place before the draft. Signability becomes a huge issue for both college (D1/Major JUCO) and Pro teams.

All joking aside, while Wallner is actually a very good athlete, just simply transitioning someone to catcher isn't as easy as it sounds. Firstly, I don't know if he's ever even played the position. It's hard enough to jump to it in HS, let alone in college and especially in professional ball. Second, would he even he a willing participant in the switch? I'm sure he would do it if he was told to, but would his heart be in it? Hard to say. You might add, "What about Bechtold? He's doing it?". While this is true (and please correct me if I'm wrong), I believe Bechtold volunteered and added that to his repertoire of positions to increase his chances of advancing and making it to the show.

That ignores the fact that the vast bulk of bases are stolen off the pitcher. Having spent a good bit of time around catchers, I can say with some certainty, Jeffers if just fine defensively. He may not be Pudge, but very few are.

While I agree with the sentiment... unless you're picking Adley Ruschman (spelling?) or Joe Mauer, you go with the best available talent. That just isn't catcher this year (at least at #8 overall).