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No downside. I think Mullens' style is a better fit for the offense, but if either he or Jones has to take over, I don't see the offense being good enough to win a playoff game.
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I'm not sure that's proven. But it was proven the last one wasn't. As long as they continue to fire/hire/sign/adjust when it's clear the system/players/coaches won't lead them to a championship, I'll be OK with the process. Can't let it stagnate for years like was happening at the end of the Spielman/Zimmer era. I'm a Super Bowl or bust guy, but I don't view all the other seasons as failures. It's more that my excitement level is pretty low until they show me otherwise. I'll need another 1998 or 2009 caliber of team, the kind where the Vikings are clearly one of the few favorites, before I'm a true believer.
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Right, they throw this kind of money at players we all like much, much less pretty much every year. I guess that may end up being one benefit of having no money to spend this year! -
I'm clearly a Jones denier but I'm not sure about the backup gig. I count PIT, NYJ, CLE, LVR and NYG as clearly looking for a QB next year. Possibly NO and LAR if they're looking to cut their vets and restart, and less likely IND, TEN and CAR if they want to move on from Richardson, Levis or Young. And that's not accounting for anyone getting injured between now and next September. It looks like there may only be two draft eligible QBs who are worthy of going in the 1st round and could possibly start week 1. Then looking at free agents to fill those holes, I have Darnold and Russell Wilson as getting starting jobs (possibly re-signing with their current clubs) then Derrick Carr and Matt Stafford if their teams move on. Aaron Rodgers likely gets a job (possibly undeservedly) as well if he continues playing. So my math says at minimum two and most likely three or more jobs are open for very undesirable QBs and the free agent field is Jameis Winston, Justin Fields, Joe Flacco, Gardner Minshew, Andy Dalton and Daniel Jones. I think the odds are better than not that Jones lands as a starter somewhere as I'd guess most teams would see him as 1st or 2nd amongst this list of less desirable QBs.
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Dang that sucks. That you have friends who are Giants fans. 😆
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Yeah, I would be too but they're going to have to turn the keys over at some point and regardless of reps, I'm expecting a learning curve. But even if Darnold isn't Mayfield, he'll probably be treated as such around the league since it's an easy comp. Mayfield wasn't really expensive as far as QBs go. 3 year 100M but only 50M guaranteed. That sounds worse than it actually is. However, last year there were six first round QBs for the needy clubs, this year it looks like there are two, so there may be more demand for Darnold's services.
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It wouldn't be my choice, but I have to admit that I think if Darnold has a second year in this system, he *could* be significantly better. Baker Mayfield was good last year, but borderline MVP this year.
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Well that is an interesting thought. Not sure that he's that much more mobile than Darnold, but if he's good at those 1 yard 3rd/4th down plays, that could be useful. In any case, while I don't much care for Jones as a QB, I don't think this is a Super Bowl team, and if Darnold goes down there won't be much to cheer for anyway, so I don't much care who the backup is.
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Agreed. Even if Jones is a better QB than Mullens, which I don't think is a given (that was definitely not a Nick Mullens endorsement), I don't think Jones fits this offense. Despite Darnold's many short comings, he does take chances and has a gunslinger mentality throwing deep and avoiding check downs unless absolutely necessary. Nick Mullens is basically the same style while Daniel Jones is the polar opposite. I think Jefferson becomes next to pointless if Jones ever enters the game.
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The Tommy John recovery times almost always seem to be a half season optimistic, so I'd have no faith that he'd pitch in 2025. If the Twins were willing to take on payroll, sure, go ahead, it's a good depth signing for two years out. But they say they aren't raising payroll and I have no apatite to drop anyone to make room for him.
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Yeah, you'd expect to be in 1st at 9-2. That's alright by me as I don't expect much in the playoffs out of this team and I don't think the national folks do either. Vikings + high expectations = bed crapping, so I'm good rolling with this unique scenario for the time being.
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Yeah, they need to clean house. But he's wrong about the QB play. Nabers is a big play downfield threat, and neither of the QBs throw downfield. Wan'Dale Robinson is having a career year (low bar, I know), rookie Theo Johnson is quietly second amongst rookie TEs in targets and Tyrone Tracy is getting three targets per game since he got the starting job. These QBs look short and go to the dump off option early. Considering Daboll's last QB before coming to NY, I'm guessing that's not exactly what he'd like to see.
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Well that's mitigated by the roof on their stadium. Oh.......
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Former Twins, Where are they now? 2024 edition
nicksaviking replied to stringer bell's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
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Crazy game. It was either moments of brilliance or moments of jaw-dropping brain farts. With three road games in a row and in a stadium they've struggled to play well in, I had them pegged for a loss today, so I guess this win counts as a win?
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I was already worried about it with Robinson. Of course Aaron Jones then went and had his best game of the year, so I don't know what to think.
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I don't have a lot of confidence in Darnold, but I have even less in the run game, particularly if the Vikings make it clear that they want to run. I'm not getting good vibes about this game.
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Yeah, I don't think people realize that Sandy Koufax was only 'Sandy Koufax' for six seasons. He famously retired early due to the onset of arthritis but he also peaked late. We remember Johan Santana's early struggles, but that was basically two seasons, The Koufax who people remembered didn't occur until year six at the earliest. Koufax as a Santana comp might actually be generous to Sandy Koufax. Blasphamy!!!! I know.
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I didn’t say anything about the budget. They are trying to sell the team; that’s literally de-committing from the franchise. As so, I struggle to see any moves going forward as being motivated in the interests of long-term success on the field.
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I misread your prologue, I saw 2022 and thought that was the first trade in chronological order. I was just saying that they also found creative trades prior to then, particularly when it came to starting pitching. Sonny Gray and Jake Odorizzi were also great trades though they weren't big leaguer for big leaguer. Which wouldn't be a requirement for me.
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This list only goes back two years, and overall the off season trades have been pretty good, while the in season trades have mostly been disasters. So, I guess if they're going to make moves, now is the time. But still, without the commitment from ownership, I'm still of the mind that they should be in a holding pattern. Any moves now seem more likely to be aimed at lowering costs to make the team more attractive to new owners or a token gesture to fans that doesn't actually accomplish anything on the field.
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Nathan will be tough. Reliever seems to be the one position where counting stats still matter most. Had he not got injured, he and Billy Wagner are probably in the exact same spot right now. But at this point he probably still has to wait for Wagner, K-Rod and even John Franco. In a few years Kenny Jensen and Craig Kimbrel jump in line ahead of him.
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Yeah felt dumb typing all that and then straddling the fence. Hard to see this team firing their GM if they pull off 10+ wins. Even if they should.
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For sure, but that injury that cut short his career was epic. He threw 134 pitches to get the Mets their first franchise no-hitter and basically blew out his arm doing so. His ERA was 2.38 after that game and his season quickly spiraled out of control. He was probably the front runner for Cy Young at that point, but the Mets had to shut him down twice before finally the third time he waved the white flag and had to call it a season which turned into calling it a career. I'm still surprised he didn't get the Koufax/Puckett consideration; his peak was up their with the elite HOF arms and my opinion has always been that if the final pitch in the 9th inning of that June 1st no hitter was the last he threw, he would have been voted in on the first ballot like Puckett was. Instead the mere 10 flailing starts that followed somehow tricked the voters into perceiving him to be in the category of good-not-great.
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They clearly can't draft and develop them, so I guess grabbing veterans for the spots is their only option anyway. Only Ingram, Chandler, Nailor and Muse left from that 2022 draft and Ingram, Chandler and Muse are basically already out the door. Addison and Ward are the only two left from 2023. So one starter combined from those classes now and the only starter from 2024 is the kicker. I'm not saying Adofo-Mensah has to go as there's more to being a GM than the draft, but they need to find a new outside voice to help, who even if they don't run the draft, they have significant input and sway. This isn't working.
