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I don't believe his contract can be reassigned in any way.
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Hopefully he will be more motivated to do so if he expects to play third base. Last winter and this spring RF adventure was a foolish waste particularly after losing a year and half to Tommy John and playing DH. Sending him down doesn't help in any way. Play him now. Play him next year. Accept below average 3B and a big bat.
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I think this is my first time in this topic. I really don't see how they separate the two. The perception on the part of the Latin American players is critical. Is it possible that they might wonder why they would replace Sano with Plouffe when Sano performance is superior (at least in their minds)? Is it possible that they will perceive that race is a factor? The Twins need to be careful here. We really don't know the perceptions of the players of color. We just get that of the white management through the press and broadcast team. The current line is about Sano and his work ethic. Should he be sent down? Absolutely not.
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Sano best chance at helping at 3B next year is to play there this year 5 times a week for the last 8 weeks. Buxton best chance to improve his hitting against major pitchers is to play regularly against them Vargas' best chance at helping next year is to get regular major league at bats the rest of this year. The best hope we might get in return for a Trevor Plouffe is an Alex Pressley type. There is no way whatever return they get for Plouffe can match the need to play the young players regularly at the major league level.
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They simply need to release Plouffe. There is no reason to tender him this off season. He is not going to help them get anywhere the next two months. The Twins risk creating a perception among the Latin American players that is going to be damaging to the team. What was the response by management to Mauer's repeated mistakes on the basepaths yesterday? Sending down Sano or other better performing player of color and bringing up Plouffe will do damage in the clubhouse that may not be repaired. If this happens and Molitor doesn't see it coming he In no way should be a manager of any major league team.
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It was a bad day on the bases. He made a mistake in the first inning and followed with three occasions where he let the out on the bases in the first inning lead to being tentative on the bases later. He should not have been doubled off. He should have been aggressive in his own hit. He should have been aggressive on Kepler's. Did he pick up his coaches on two of those occasions (returning to 1B and Kepler's hit)? Where was his head? If a young player like Sano sits after poor over aggressive base running, a veteran like Joe has to sit for at least one game if not a series. Molitor should have higher expectations of Mauer than Sano and it is critical he responds. After his first two gaffes and tentativeness on his third hit, Molitor should have pinch run for him with Rosario.
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2011 Jorge Polanco 2012 Brian Dozier 2013 Levi Michael 2014 Danny Santana 2015 Engelb Vielma 2016 Engelb Vielma
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Perceptions a month ago were overwhelmingly under. The poll has changed a little since with a few more over votes and a few deleted under votes and is now 27% (6 of 22) under 35.5 wins in the second half. At the time of the post (prior to the July 2 game) the Twins were 25-54. Since the poll the Twins are 18-10 with 2 of those wins coming in games 80 and 81. To get the over they need to go 20-35 the rest of the way. Which team will show up the last two months? If it is the one we saw in April they might not get there. If it is the team of the last two months they should get the over without difficulty.
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Looking forward to a good start from Santiago and a sweep of Cleveland. I doubt this trade does much to shift the future of the Twins, but I do have more interest in today's game.
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Home runs stabilize at around 1250 plate appearances. Splits, each in a smaller sample, might not be very informative. I would think that Santiago would have given up a greater number of home runs at home had the park over the last three years been Target Field. I did look at the partial home run data for 2016 and see that Angel Stadium was giving up home runs at a much greater rate than the three year stretch from 2013-2015 when they were among the most difficult places to hit home runs in the AL. I don't think they made stadium changes And it is a small sample of the partial season. In any case, Santiago's difficulty with home runs at home this year coincides with his increase in ERA.
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Angel Stadium was the perfect park for an extreme fly ball lefty like Santiago. Target Field may not be very friendly. Angel Stadium is one of the more difficult places for right handed batters to hit home runs. Saniago still gave up more home runs than any other pitcher last year. Right handed batters see an increase in home runs in Target Field. This combination could prove difficult for Santiago and his future value.
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The Twins and particularly Mientkiewicz have seen Polanco play SS quite a bit. I do trust that judgment. No one had seen Sano play OF. I think that came from the front office and not the on field staff. It is possible to trust the judgment of Polanco's coaches and still question the brain trust that put Sano in the OF.
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I think I agree with both of you above. Is it fair to say the deal has little long term value to the Twins? There should be a 1 win bump next year if they use the 9 million wisely (either taking Santiago to arbitration or spending it in free agency). Is it also fair to say that the Angels have the better odds at long term upside? With that upside comes the greater likelihood that they will get less from Nolasco than Santiago next year and Meyer will never be healthy.
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I wonder if my understanding of the money is correct. The Twins are paying Nolasco for the remainder of the year. After that he is owed 13 million. Of the 13 million the Twins are paying 4 million. That leaves 9 million which will be close to what they spend on Santiago if they take him to arbitration. I don't see a savings for 2017 but I do see an upgrade of about 1 win if they retain Santiago. They also have the opportunity to deal Santiago as a rental. They can also non-tender and spend the money elsewhere but that amount isn't buying much more than a win. Since the cash is neutral, is the difference between Santiago and Nolasco to the Twins in 2017 worth more than the future difference of Meyer and Busenitz to the Angels? Unless a team views itself as a solid contender for 2017, wouldn't they be better off gambling on the future?
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Meyer was added to the 40 man roster following the 2014 season. The Twins send options in 2015 and 2016. He should have an option remaining. For 2017, the Twins appear to be the winners. Hopefully the Twins will have studied how the change in home parks will impact Santiago's performance. He led the league in home runs given up last year in a park that suppresses right handed home runs. Target Field will not be as friendly. For 2018 and beyond, the Angels win the trade if Meyer is a major leaguer. The Twins only hope is being able to move Santiago. I would gave preferred they cut loose Nolasco and kept Meyer, but it isn't a bad gamble that Santiago will retain his value into next July.
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So what exactly do we do about the catcher spot?
jorgenswest replied to DocBauer's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
It is not reasonable that Mithc Garver is ready. He hasn't caught enough in the minors. His catching skill was questioned when coming out of college. He isn't even the regular catcher for his AA team. The scouting by slash stats is nice and they look good for a AA catcher. However, he is a AA DH/1B/C. He hasn't caught games on back to back days since June. He catches 2 or 3 times a week. The Twins have no idea how he will hold up when the catcher load increases. It is bound to impact his performance at the plate. Looking back and saying he should have started at a higher level coming out of college or he shouldn't have been paired with Turner has little meaning for today. Today he is not ready to take on the load and play the defense expected of a major league catcher. Turner is more ready. If the Twins project Garver as a major league regular catcher, they need to play him regularly at catcher. Starting today and continuing next year in AAA. They can not go into next season with Garver in the major league plans. It would be like calling up Pinto at the end of the year and thinking that sample was enough to demonstrate that he was ready to be the regular catcher. It wasn't then. It isn't now. Sign someone for a year and let Garver be the regular catcher in AAA. -
Santiago has performed significantly better than his FIP over his career. The opposite is true of Nolasco. It comes down to performance with runners on base. Nolasco's performance drops with runners on base over his career. Santiago has actually pitched much better over his career with runners on base. Is it luck? Maybe. They both have significant PAs against over their careers. Target Field may not be kind to Santiago though. He led the league in home runs given up last year. He moves from Angel Stadium which suppresses home runs from right handed batters to Target Field where right handed batters hit home runs above the league average. I used 2013-2015 as the sample for the parks but Angel Stadium has been a more difficult place for right handers to hit home runs than Target Field each year since Target Field's opening in 2010.
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Don't look at his current run. Look at the entire three year run with the good and the bad.
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If the contracts were the same would it change your mind? They are spending the same money for Vargas, Park and Mauer. You might need to throw Sano in there if 3B isn't an option. Now they just need to pick the best two.
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Twins Trade Abad To Red Sox For RP Prospect
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A good trade. I honestly trust took the best offer they had for Abad. This is the kind of deal losing teams need to make. -
The money is a wash. Busenitz is an organizational player. The Twins might project 1 win better with Santiago in 2017. Beyond that they are both gone. Meyer is the only player who has the possibility of making an impact for his current team in 2018. This is the kind of trade losing teams like the Angels should be making. If Meyer works out, they win big. If not, they lose the difference of Santiago vs Nolasco in 2017. The way the Twins win this trade is if Santiago has a fairly good half season next year and they are able to deal him before he hits free agency. It could happen but Angel stadium is a much more friendly pitchers park. It is possible but I don't think it is as likely as Meyer being a valuable reliever for the Angels.
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Since 2014, Vargas has an OPS of .751 in the majors. At his age it is reasonable to expect it will increase. In that same time frame Joe Mauer has an OPS of .728. At his age it isn't likely to improve. If you were building a team for 2017-2018, which guy would you go with?
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Mejia has 8 starts in AAA. He should get at least another 5 this year. With success and a good start next year in AAA, he hopefully can be ready early in the 2017 season. There is no magic number of starts, but significant learning happens in AAA.. Most prospects don't blow batters away with raw stuff and the mistakes they get away with in the minors are barreled up in the majors. The Twins need to have the patience to develop his talent and waiting some of April has the side benefit in an extra year of control.

