I'm not sure I get what you are saying? My point was that I don't think the plan for Archer was to ever pitch more than 4-5 innings, hence that's as stretched out as he is every going to get, and then they would use Winder to piggy back with Archer ... because of all the injuries, I don't think they have another person that can piggy back with another 4 innings and we are left with what we are left with ... which is another discussion