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  1. jimmer
    ugh
  2. jimmer
    I'm sorry, but the arguments used for Morris, by Morris fans, get all twisted around until only certain numbers or narratives(all the positive ones) count and the rest are discarded as misleading or whatever else. Like going out of their way to stretch things or look at things at a certain angle or reach for straws to say he's deserving. For examples: 1. Pitch to score (and the idea his ERA would be lower if he didn't go as far while also saying he deserves to go to the Hall cause of the complete game). Both used as an excuse his ERA is so high (for a HOFer) 2. Most wins in the 80s - As if wins aren't a product of team effort - As if it's something special as opposed to any 10 year stretch. - Failing to mention losses during that decade too (cause only the wins count?) 3. World Series titles when it takes a whole team to get to the playoffs, get through the playoffs (one round in his case) and win a W Series When people have to do that for a HOF candidate it's telling. And he's the only pitcher I know where that happens. In any event, like I keep saying, my original point which got this discussion started was that people need to stop with the narrative that's it's only new school thinking that argues against him being deserving. It's not. It's been a good discussion (very fun and respectful) and I thank you. I've had these kind of debates at length with many, but in the end for me it's about the numbers and there are too many old school and new school numbers that over-ride the rest, no matter how interesting to read.
  3. jimmer
    Well, I did say 4 OR MORE. Also possible he doesn't want to stay there since he wants to be a SS and they keep putting him at 3B. Who knows.
  4. jimmer
    It would be awesome. Big time hoping! It would be out biggest FA signing by far.
  5. jimmer
    IF they could figure out a way to extend him before the trade was finalized? Cause 4 or more years of Machado, I'd take that for those two pitchers.
  6. jimmer
    I doubt it, but we would get one year of Machado.
  7. jimmer
    Exactly this. And not to mention, though Longoria doesn't have a MONSTER contract, that has to be included when talking about value (an average of 17M a year if you count the buyout for 2023) So it's 32 year old Longoria (owed 17M a year over the next 5 years) + Archer (and his 8.5M a year over 4 years) for Sano (who isn't arbitration eligible yet) + Gonzalves who still has 6 years of control.
  8. jimmer
    And innings are taken into account, right? Since WAR is a cumulative stat. And his ERA in innings 7-9 is lower than in innings 1-3 and 4-6 so those 7-9 innings helped his ERA, not hurt it.
  9. jimmer
    His fWAR is nothing to brag about either: 55.8. Mussina, who may not make it, is 82.2. Schilling is 79.8. I've read plenty who quote his fWAR when saying he doesn't deserve it (for example, some writers at Fangraphs). But, still, it's not old school versus new school when it comes to Morris. Plenty of reasons on both sides to say, 'Yeah no. He didn't deserve it.' So this idea that people put out there that's it's only because of new school thinking (especially quoting WAR) that he couldn't get in before is false. There are arguments and both sides as to why he shouldn't have AND WAR didn't even exist the first few years he was on the ballot, much less taken seriously. But he's in, and good for him.
  10. jimmer
    ERA+ is just ERA compared to other pitchers when they pitched (with a possible adjustmebt for ballparks). So really, its mostly just ERA and yeah, it is flawed. As is ERA (which is also a knock on him, BTW) As yes, K/9 has issues too (most stats do) Both in these cases, you are preaching to the choir and it doesnt change my point, which is that there are plenty of reasons,on both the old school and new school sides of thinking, that make a compelling argument against him getting in. Btw, as far as new stats, I personally dont use bWAR at all. P.S.his FIP is nothing to write home about either ;-)
  11. jimmer
    thats where we shop. Old guys and reclamation projects :-)
  12. jimmer
    its funny cause the person who asked the question was asking Erica if you were the Twins would you take it? and Eric answered in the POV of the Pirates.
  13. jimmer
    thats assuming he would take that and I wouldnt make that assumption. Hes going to get a big raise in arbitration this year and likely next. Then he will have just turned 29 as a FA.That extension suggestion is way below what he would get between arbitration and FA. That is my major concern. Is we get him and he is gone after two years.
  14. jimmer
    yeah, only having him for 2 years is the big reason I would balk at this. If I was sure the team would extend him right away, that would change things, but dont see Cole doing that.
  15. jimmer
    Not sure how I feel. I know I have never been high on Gordon (I hated it when we drafted him as high as we did and nothing has changed my mind) and it seems everytime I express my doubts about him, I am getting told I am wrong. But now we are okay with giving up 6 years of a guy thats been spouted to be an above average shortstop (a position of need for years and, if he is that, provides immense value) and Jay (another guy I didnt like from the beginning based on how high we drafted him and another guy I was knocked often for not liking) for two years of Cole? Id want someone who we would have for longer than two years, especially if Jay and Gordon are going to be as good as so many said.
  16. jimmer
    ERA+is old school, not new. K/9, BB/9, K/BB ratio and the fact he never even finished 2nd in CY,much less won a CY. All old school. Old school or new school, both give compelling arguments against.
  17. jimmer
    or perhaps play on teams good enough to actually get to even one world series. Morris didnt get to and win world series on his own.
  18. jimmer
    For only 2 years of Gerrtt Cole? I understand the dire need for pitching we have, but it would be Cole for two years and then he's gone. Two questions: Do we really think we have a window now? What do we think we have in Gordon?
  19. jimmer
    I really like Yelich, who comes with 5 years of control.
  20. jimmer
    Yeah, in theory, if he had been pulled in certain games and not others (and if a manager could forsee that all the time wouldn't that be awesome) but as can be shown in application, it could LOWER his ERA too, like it did in '91 overall as well as his career overall. And in any event, your theory can be said for any pitcher no? The idea one could give up more runs if left in longer. It's not unique to him. Enjoyed our chat, I'm moving on.
  21. jimmer
    The worst announcer ever.
  22. jimmer
    The problem with his ERA was affected WAAAAAY more in innings 1-3 than anything afterwards. If he never pitched past the 6th inning, his ERA would have been higher not lower. Season ERA: 3.43 ERA in innings 1-6: 3.58 The runs he allowed in innings 7-8 dropped his season ERA by .15.
  23. jimmer
    That year, his ERA in innings 1-3 was 4.35, in innings 4-6 it was 2.75, in innings 7-9 it was 2.82. Pitching late didn't hurt his ERA, but rather it helped his ERA (since his ERA that year was 3.43). He only gave up 16 ERs from innings 7-9.
  24. jimmer
    what season was that? '91?
  25. jimmer
    his ERA in innings 7-9 is lower than innings 1-3 and 4-6. So pitching later in games helped his career ERA, not hindered.
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