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Wonder if the Royals need some pen help or a 5th starter.

Except for Houston I should note that there were some questions about him. Not everyone said he should be picked 1 overall.

I tend to agree with this. I think there are other reasons to be skeptical too. Quite honestly, these are close pitches and the umpire has tendancies, but won't always call it the same. I'm hesitant to put all of that on the catcher. This is one of those statistics that I really think needs to be calculated multiple different ways to see if there is in fact an effect. I have no doubt that a catcher can influence this. The scope of that influence is in question.

I thought they were done after Hughes, so who knows what I know at this point, but I have a hard time believing they are looking for a fourth pitcher, especially with Gibson, Worley, and Darnell, all of whom will get a shot this year (and should get one). I would think that means KC is on the trading block, and Ryan has takers. I have a tough time believing that.

Trades only work that way when the other side has to make a trade. You aren't going to get a top 100-150 prospect for Doumit, Deduno/Worley, and a reliever. As it is, Gilmartin being in the Brave's top 5 is likely a 150-200 guy at worst, depending on the strength of their system. It doesn't work unless the other team is stuck trying to unload something that they cannot do otherwise. Even win now teams aren't going to be terribly excited about that package because it provides them little value (if any).

I have to echo something someone else said: I have to think the trading isn't done. I fully expect a member of the pen to find a new home yet this offseason.... Perhaps two. Another thing that hasn't been said, but I kind of wonder about... Was this trade b/c Gardy plays Doumit too much? Doumit as a backup catcher and occasional DH wasn't a bad deal assuming he hits like he did in 2012, but he was dreadful in 2013 and Gardy kept trotting him out there at the expense of younger players who needed the at bats. This trade is really a win, and from the looks of it for both teams. Doumit wasn't going to get much now, and even if he rebounds this season, he wasn't going to haul in a top 100 guy or anything like that. He was taking up roster space and largely redundant in this org. ATL had a need for what Doumit could provide and gave up a largely redundant piece on their end with the upside of a 3/4 type guy. I can't complain. I just can't. I don't get the angst here from a few posters. Does anyone honestly believe Doumit could have fetched better?

I think right now I'd prefer Gatewood or Kolek (assuming something doesn't happen and the Twins can get an ace college pitcher). Turner doesn't excite me that much.

I personally would like the Twins to ink a deal with the Indianapolis Indians. I'd go to a lot more games if that was the case.

He's probably a carbon copy of 95% of pitchers in the minors. That said, I don't see the concern. I'd have been suprised if we had gotten more for Doumit if he had a bounce back season. Not to mention that this helps out the 40 man situation. As well, the kid is a 1st rounder from 2011. I get that he hasn't blossomed the way people would want, but injuries can do that too, and it's quite possible that our staff sees something else. I'm willing to give TR the benefit of the doubt here, as I highly doubt Doumit that 2012 Doumit with 2014's contract would have gotten much else at the deadline.

The love for Deduno stems from the fact that hitters don't seem to know where that fastball is going either I think it really comes down to the fact that Deduno could suddenly figure things out and be the next RA Dickey. He's frustrating to watch at times, but you see flashes of talent with him that's largely absent from the rest of the rotation. The odds of him doing that are about as good as Dickey's odds were, but who knows... it could happen.

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I think it has to be Gibson. Worley and Deduno get first call at injury or if Gibson flops.

I don't remember there being a ton of complaints when Doumit and his .800+ OPS was extended for 2 years at a cheap price. It wasn't a bad deal at all given the cost, production, and a complete lack of talent at C in the upper levels. But I'm sure some complained, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The question I have to ask is what exactly do any of us know about the trades that weren't made? We can speculate on that all we want, but it's nothing but speculation. Not sure you or I have a right to judge the FO on that IMO.

Yeah, I could see something like this working. Burton or Duensing... Shouldn't take much.

In regards to your first point regarding the FO not being ready for FA last year, I can give you that. I think that did happen. I'm not sure I can give you your second point about long term contracts and rebuilding. I honestly think the rebuild was plan B and when it was obvious that the FAs were going to be overpriced, they decided to do the rebuild, and I think that was the right choice. It may have been the first choice all along, who knows. But going back to last year, the only one of the big 3 that the Twins had a shot at was Jackson. Yes, the Twins might have been able to beat LA, but I don't think they should have.

If I remember correctly, Hughes was pretty good in AA. Thorpe on the other hand hasn't pitched in low A yet. I'd say that this is a good sign he's going to start in Cedar Rapids next season. That should be a fun rotation to watch with Thorpe, Stewart, and Gonsalves.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Presley. I think he's going to be a pleasant surprise this season and could force the Twins to rethink their long term OF plans.

I don't get the hate. He very clearly improved as his season went on, and given that this was his first year back from TJ this was to be expected; he had a pretty good season. As the 3rd pickup, this isn't bad at all. Look at his splits: [TABLE=class: tablehead] [TR=class: colhead] By Day/Month[TD=class: textright]ERA[/TD] [TD=class: textright]W[/TD] [TD=class: textright]L[/TD] [TD=class: textright]SV[/TD] [TD=class: textright]SVO[/TD] [TD=class: textright]GP[/TD] [TD=class: textright]GS[/TD] [TD=class: textright]CG[/TD] [TD=class: textright]IP[/TD] [TD=class: textright]H[/TD] [TD=class: textright]R[/TD] [TD=class: textright]ER[/TD] [TD=class: textright]HR[/TD] [TD=class: textright]BB[/TD] [TD=class: textright]SO[/TD] [TD=class: textright]AVG[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow] [TD=width: 15%]April[/TD] [TD=class: textright]7.66[/TD] [TD=class: textright]2[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]5[/TD] [TD=class: textright]5[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]22.1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]36[/TD] [TD=class: textright]21[/TD] [TD=class: textright]19[/TD] [TD=class: textright]2[/TD] [TD=class: textright]7[/TD] [TD=class: textright]7[/TD] [TD=class: textright].356[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow] [TD=width: 15%]May[/TD] [TD=class: textright]5.90[/TD] [TD=class: textright]1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]6[/TD] [TD=class: textright]6[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]29.0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]36[/TD] [TD=class: textright]19[/TD] [TD=class: textright]19[/TD] [TD=class: textright]4[/TD] [TD=class: textright]12[/TD] [TD=class: textright]19[/TD] [TD=class: textright].310[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow] [TD=width: 15%]June[/TD] [TD=class: textright]4.66[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]19.1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]22[/TD] [TD=class: textright]10[/TD] [TD=class: textright]10[/TD] [TD=class: textright]1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]2[/TD] [TD=class: textright]12[/TD] [TD=class: textright].293[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow] [TD=width: 15%]July[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3.25[/TD] [TD=class: textright]1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]5[/TD] [TD=class: textright]5[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]27.2[/TD] [TD=class: textright]28[/TD] [TD=class: textright]10[/TD] [TD=class: textright]10[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]9[/TD] [TD=class: textright]21[/TD] [TD=class: textright].267[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow] [TD=width: 15%]August[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3.60[/TD] [TD=class: textright]1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]6[/TD] [TD=class: textright]6[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]35.0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]33[/TD] [TD=class: textright]15[/TD] [TD=class: textright]14[/TD] [TD=class: textright]2[/TD] [TD=class: textright]16[/TD] [TD=class: textright]22[/TD] [TD=class: textright].252[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow] [TD=width: 15%]September[/TD] [TD=class: textright]7.45[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]3[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]4[/TD] [TD=class: textright]4[/TD] [TD=class: textright]0[/TD] [TD=class: textright]19.1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]29[/TD] [TD=class: textright]17[/TD] [TD=class: textright]16[/TD] [TD=class: textright]1[/TD] [TD=class: textright]7[/TD] [TD=class: textright]20[/TD] [TD=class: textright].341 [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]

I guess the question I would have to ask you Jokin is exactly what is that would satisfy you as a fan. I honestly didn't expect the Twins to go out and get 3 pitchers this offseason (and 2 is what I've been saying they should get all along). And in so doing, they took two of the better guys on the market. You could make a case that all 3 of these guys will out-perform their 2013 numbers and could be bargains for what they've signed for. Add to it that you have some talented pitchers coming up in the system and room will need to be made for them. I get that money needs to be spent, but spending money for the sake of spending doesn't make sense in my book. I could see them going hard after Drew (if he's still there) simply due to the lack of talent at SS in the high minors and at the major league level, but position by position, they are largely set. C - Pinto, Doumit, Mauer as an emergency. Perhaps room for another option, but this won't cost much. 1B - Mauer, Parmelee. 2B - Dozier, with Rosario being in Rochester for 2014. SS - Florimon, needs an upgrade, no question. Very little on the market though other than Drew. 3B - Plouffe. Definitely a place for an upgrade, but there's a pretty nice one sitting in Rochester next year. No big contract here for that reason alone, and I think you have to give Plouffe one more chance. OF - Willingham, Presley, Arcia, Parmelee. 2 potential upgrades in Buxton and Hicks in the minors. Another place where big contracts make little sense, and again I think Parmelee in particular deserves one more chance. DH - Doumit, Parmelee, Plouffe, Colobello. Other than Doumit, these 3 are more of a see what sticks. I could see a contract to fill this position, but I also think it makes more sense to see if they can get a break out from one of these hitters. They've already signed 3 pitchers, and you have a guaranteed contract in KC as well. Gibson, Deduno, Diamond, Worley, Darnell, and eventually Meyer are all guys who will be looking at getting some PT next year, and there's only 1 spot for them as of now. As it is, this is pretty crowded. I get that several of these guys will likely wash out, but there's also the possibility that some of these guys outperform some of the guys we signed. And if they make it somewhere else, people will be screaming about why we let them go. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you here, but I get the impression that no matter what the front office does, it won't win. I'd really like to know what it is you think they should do.

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I would flip Stewart and Meyer personally. Meyer has had success at much higher levels and both look to be an ace in every sense of the word. But other than that, Stewart isn't too high. The kid has potential to have 4 plus pitches... Think about that for a second. This kid could be a beast. His biggest knock is that he's 19 and will start full season ball next year. As for Gonsalves, he's a bit too low, but I do think that low teens is appropriate for him. He was considered first round talent and slipped due to a poor senior season. The Twins scouted him well b/c no one thought he would sign. Even so, he was never ranked higher than Stewart for good reason. I think both of these kids are going to get their first real experience in Cedar Rapids next season, and I hope they can move up the ranks together much like Mauer and Morneau did.

And where is this coming from? I frequent the minor league forums quite a bit. Haven't heard that Stewart has a "Diva attitude".

Not a fan of this one personally, though I won't complain. There was no way we were getting Garza for 2 years.

I'd say they should be if they are still adding talent. My concern, like I said before, is that Doumit will get way more PT this season than he should... just as he did in 2013.

someone will trade up. The Vikings are doing whatever they can to make sure they won't be able to get that franchise QB.