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  1. vs. LHP Will Smith 1. Denard Span LF 2. Ben Revere RF 3. Josh Willingham DH 4. Justin Morneau 1B 5. Ryan Doumit C 6. Trevor Plouffe LF 7. Brian Dozier SS 8. Alexi Casilla 2B 9. Jamey Carroll 3B SP: Cole DeVries
  2. All I mean is that it isn't set in stone that all of those players would have failed if drafted elsewhere (anywhere). I am not sure about individual cases, but if injuries impacted any of them, then clearly such injuries may very well have not happened if in a different environment. And different coaches matter, different development timeframes . . . maybe some of those players were rushed too fast? In any event, this kind of "set in stone" mentality reminds me of when I hear announcers talk about "if only" as in "if only he wouldn't have attempted to steal second base and get thrown out, that would have been a two-run homer" (for example). That ignores that a man on first vs. no one on is a completely different situation with different pitches, throwing from the stretch, etc. etc.
  3. No. I would expect Buxton to take 4 years, minimum.
  4. Trading for good pitching can still happen after drafting Gausman, though. Capps might bring something of value back at the deadline. As could Doumit. And clearly Span would if the Twins want to go that way. Revere might bring something back as well. I don't wish players injuries, but I hope a team like the Rangers or Reds has some so that they are a bit more desperate for players for the playoff run and the playoffs. I would be most happy with the Twins taking Gausman or Correa. Less happy with Appel or Zimmer. Less happy with Buxton or Zunino, etc.
  5. Yeah, what the hell. They need to spend money to get players back at the deadline, especially if Pavano continues to SUCK THIS MUCH.
  6. I like this for the most part, except I would like C Kevin Plawecki at 63. Not sure about 97 at this point. After 75 or so, I just get lost in players. Could grab Brown at 32 and then see who is still there at 42.
  7. I'd stay totally away unless one thinks they can trade him at the deadline.
  8. I would rank them: Gausman (had to pick one pitcher at the top) Correa (SS or 3B) Appel (tied with Zimmer) Zimmer (tied with Appel) Giolito (highest ceiling) Fried (coming on very strong in many scout's eyes and is a lefty) Buxton Zunino If I had to do so.
  9. Just because none of the later picks in the first ten panned out, does not mean that one of them wouldn't have in the Twins organization.
  10. Jim Crikket is dominating this thread with insight. And this is why I believe a top-tier OF is equal to a second-tier SP, by the way. That's why I don't think there is any way to judge "best player available." Ask the BPA crowd who is the best pitcher available and you will get four different answers! How does adding position players into the question make it any less muddy? Why Buxton might be top-tier OF, I think he is in the same overall tier of players with the college pitchers, Giolito, Fried, and Correa and Zunino.
  11. Exactly. I think it is a foregone conclusion that, if the Astros really take Appel, the Twins are taking Buxton. I wish it would be otherwise, for the reason you mention.
  12. But if they don't make it and they don't have a college degree or close to one . . .
  13. And he MURDERS RH A+ pitching. Those numbers are crazy. Jacque Jones+??? (offensively). I would like to see them experiment with Hicks and see if he hits RH from the right side better than from the left side. They really need to commence that experiment immediately though. If it doesn't work, maybe he goes back to switch-hitting in 2013 and starts the year at New Britain again? Seems worth the chance at improving his hitting somewhat significantly, right?
  14. Oh, yeah, I understand. If the Twins really have it shaking out that way and that Buxton is in a tier of his own, than ok. I just can't imagine how that should be the case. At this point, I just want them to make the damn pick.
  15. YHIMH, true, but the "panning out" situation is worse at every other position! That's the thing, maybe the OF depth isn't really deep, but everything about this is relative. It's deeper than everything else except middle relief pitching.
  16. Nice! Thanks for the spotlight on a vital part of the future.
  17. Haha, yeah, the Benson/Tosoni situation this year makes for a herd at A+ and AA instead of a clear line of depth through AAA. I would still say that other than middle relief types, the OF situation is better than everything else in the system, though. Nate Roberts, JD Williams, and Dereck Rodriguez are also involved down at A-/A+ for 2013. The Best Player Available approach relies on there being a clear best player available, and what "best" even means (higher ceiling, lower floor, etc?). Just between *position players* it isn't clear between Buxton and Correa, and maybe Zunino as well. Add in the pitchers from Appel to Giolito (and, I would add in Fried as well), and I just don't see much clarity about the best player available.
  18. You weren't calling me out. You were wildly misinterpreting the point. I am sorry that I had the word "and" in there, though "or" wouldn't have been enough. You are not telling the truth when you say that the Twins did not have pitching depth at the time. The idea, which I thought was clear, was that if SP weren't such a problem right now, the trade would not look as bad. Your what ifs involving ridiculous trades had no place as a response to that.
  19. What in the HELL are you talking about? My point was simply that people looking back at the trade see it after the general collapse of Twins starting pitching since. But Twins starting pitching was viewed as an organizational strength at the time (and OF depth, especially RH OF depth, a weakness). Don't tell me to "get out of here"---good god I cannot imagine a post here pissing me off more than this one.
  20. Romero should be promoted to Rochester when the Twins figure out the Valencia/Burroughs situation.
  21. God, when they start winning and are all healthy . . . Mauer gets injured.
  22. Plouffe hitting (if it continues) is huge.
  23. Guys, if Kevin Slowey, Boof Bonser, Nick Blackburn, and Glen Perkins would have turned into good starters, and Baker and Liriano wouldn't have had their problems, you might be singing a different tune regardless of Young's performance. At the time it was an attempt to trade from a strength to improve upon a weakness. Everything just went the wrong way after
  24. Well, Benson was very good there last year, so I am not all that worried about him by 2014, or even by some point next year. But "next year" was supposed to be this year. Yet another "chain reaction" problem (Morneau last year, Duensing in the rotation last year, Willingham/Revere LF this year, the SP this year, Chris Parmelee, etc.). Questions about Benson put the true depth of the OF prospects into doubt, and that means all sorts of things in terms of time frames for prospects, which prospects are tradeable, and which Twins OF are tradeable (Span, Revere, and next year Willingham all potential trades). With Benson and Tosoni at AA with Hicks there and Arcia and Morales at A+, there is a a herding at the middle instead of a movement up to the Twins.
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