That's not a "random" group though....that's the group of players that started out very, very, badly. For me the question was "what are the odds that someone started this badly would ever turn out to be good", so, ya, that was the question I and others asked 2 years ago. One of the Fangraphs writers, in a chat so it might have been off hand, said that "no one" had started that badly and turned out to be good. Odds, not declarative, definitive, that was my question. It's cool if we don't know the answer, I am merely explaining my question.