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  1. There are not any mid or small market teams that spend in the fashion that is promoted here are a regular basis. It's not a Twins thing. It's just very improbable for a below average revenue team to build a contender that way. There are numerous examples and history. Stop and look beyond this team for examples of success and failure. Do you really think every GM from a below average revenue team is incompetent? Those teams success is more predicated on trading establish players for prospects or MLB players yet to be established performers. Of course, the develop talent first and foremost.
  2. So, would you go for it or rebuild?
  3. Add the Royals and Rays to that list. I agree it's just not financially feasible for a mid or small market team to build a contender by signing multiple top end free agents. History is quite clear on this subject. However, that won't stop fans on insisting the key is spending. The Dodgers can sign five of them and have our budget left over. Fans say they want a contender but many of the most ardent fans want immediate improvement. The FO just might take the quick fix approach if they think that's what's best for the bottom line. The best path to a real contender is to develop the rather deep pool of pitching prospects, sign Buxton, and transition Miranda, Martin, and Lewis. Oddly, this approach would also provide the payroll room to add a final piece or two through free agency. That approach would take a year or perhaps two and lots of fans don't even want to consider a plan that does not maximize next year.
  4. There is just not a need (yet) to cut too deep. I agree Astudillo, Cave, and Barnes can go. I would probably hold onto Strotman because of his upside. The other two I think we have seen more than enough from are Smeltzer and Thorpe. Remove those 5 and you have 7 slots open, Add the 5 prospects you have listed and we are at 38.
  5. If the reports are at all accurate, it sounds like the guarantee the offered him was in the neighborhood of 7/80 or 11.4M/year so something less has virtually no shot of being accepted. Where they disagreed was on incentives and of course we have no idea what the Twins offered or Buxton demanded.
  6. I used these assumptions: 1) $650K as the new minimum 2) League minimum players in every open slot. 3) Buxton at $19M 4) Arbitration estimates from MLB Trade Rumors 5) Maeda at $3M 6) 1.25M Colome buyout. I come up with $93MM so the budget sound right but I don't know how you get 7 pitchers a SS and a 4th OFer for $50M. That would get you two good starters.
  7. Trout makes $37M and before covid he averaged 9 WAR for 8 years. Buxton's career total is 12 WAR. I guess we will see soon enough what the mark bears.
  8. You go to believe they are going to do something to try to get back to the WS. The off-season is always interesting but this off-spring has a lot of high profile guys that are either old or have been hurt. Plus some of the high budget teams have a ton of money coming off the books. Plus, the Yankees reset their cap. Oh yah, then there is the CBA.
  9. I noticed that too. Peraza is already at AAA but Volpe looks good. They are definitely trade bait of they sign Seager. They have not been a big factor lately. Will they be impatient and look to build through free agency or are they learning that approach is not all that effective even with their budget. In other words, do you think they sign one of the big FA SSs?
  10. He gets 45M if he makes 600 plate appearances?
  11. I agree in concept. In reality, the Astros have 88M coming off their payroll. I guess it's possible they hand the job to Pedro Leon but you would not think a WS team would do that after letting Springer go. The Dodgers have about the same coming off and the Yankees need a SS. Landing one of those top SS is not going to be extremely difficult if these top markets decide they want to sign them. What about trading Arraez for a SS and signing Escobar to replace Arreaz or Bean's idea of signing Escobar for SS until Lewis or Palacios is ready?
  12. For me it all comes down to will Lewis stick at SS. I don't think even the Twins inner circle has a real great read on this because he has not played in a year and there are questions on both sides of the ball. Here is another thought ... If they try Escobar and he does not stick, is there any chance Palacios is ready/capable for an audition at the ML level? Could he be plan B? What if the sign Escobar and trade Arraez for a near ready SS or a SS being blocked? Interesting possibilities with your idea.
  13. I have no idea if he can still play short but this is a very creative and interesting idea.
  14. The Twins are not trading a prospect of any consequence for a player with 1 year of control. That would be extremely short sighted and this FO has not demonstrated any short-sighted tendencies.
  15. You make a good point. I am in the small minority that would approach 2022 as a retool year. It's just not realistic to believe they can put together a contender over the winter unless they really gut the farm system and even then it would be questionable. I am of the belief they will be considerably better positioned in 2023 with such an approach. That's an unpopular view and who knows how it plays out. I would be real happy if the Pohlads threw money at the problem but that's not realistic.
  16. I don't see any obsession. There are not any 29 year old healthy stud SPs out there. Robbie Ray has not exactly been a steady performer but I guess he might qualify. Stroman is steady but not spectacular. I guess Gausman would be the other guy we would want long term. One of those three would be nice. Now we just have to beat out Houston with $88M coming off the books, the Dodgers with about the same coming off not counting their deadline acquisitions, the Mets with $75M coming off, and the Mariners and Indians who have extremely low payrolls, and of course the Yankees.
  17. I am with you in terms of prioritizing a SS but reality set in when I started looking who had money to spend and how much. The national radio shows on satellite radio are buzzing about Seager going to the Yankees so I think you nailed that one. There are some SS prospects that are blocked. Maybe we can trade for one.
  18. Yep and just think about the competition for him. The Astros and Dodgers each have almost $90M expiring and that does not count the players the Dodgers got after the deadline. The Mets have $75M expiring. The Mariners are siting at something like $60M in salary including their arbitration players and they looked like a team about to enter a window of contention. Plus, their FO has already said they are looking to spend. Then, we have the Yankees who have not been nearly as relevant in the post season the last decade. They could go nuts too. Cleveland could spend $75M too if they were so inclined.
  19. For starters, quality is obviously always a relative term and the way to make sense of a relative term is through quantification. Brock provided a reasonable framework to provide quantification and I bet he would have welcomed thoughtful debate on how he quantified "mediocre". Secondly, the presumption that pointing out that certain posters response is fanatical does not even come close to asserting that "all you find here is a sort of "bitching" rabble" and it's insulting that you twist it to this degree. It's really incredible you go there when I complemented Brock in this very thread for his approach. Agree with him or not he applied a logical approach which was meant with a lot of squaking supported by nothing of consequence. How does there win record compare to the rest of the division or how does it compare to teams with similar revenue. God or bad requires a basis of comparison which was not present here.
  20. He will be 38. The odds just are not good that he is the next Nelson Cruz. Odds are he will be replacement level by then. I would bet Miranda will be a considerably more valuable player in 2024 and the $7M can always be used for a BP arm.
  21. Here is the part I don't understand ... what math? How much math or financial acumen does it take to understand that a team with a hundred or two hundred million of incremental revenue is probably going to outbid the other team. More importantly, isn't it really obvious that a team that can only spend half as much has to get double the production per dollar spent. We should want our team to spend wisely for the very simple reason that it's imperative to the success of below average revenue. The owners are wildly rich therefore they should break even or take a loss makes me nuts. This is where just a little financial acumen is required. If all of the owners took that tact, it would change absolutely nothing in terms of the revenue disparity. It would actually increase the gap between big and small markets because large markets make a larger profit. Therefore, small markets would be at an even bigger disadvantage in signing premier FAs. We would need for the Pohlad's and the Pohlad's only to break-even or take a loss and we would still be at a significant disadvantage financially when compared to top markets .
  22. Sorry, I thought there was a message here. There is lots of financial info available. The point is that most people just ignore it or more to the point act as if the revenue disparity is not a big obstacle . I don't know how much more we need to know to determine the amount of incremental revenue one team has over another which is a where this started. We know exactly how much teams spend on players and there are even sources that give percentage of payroll data. The percentage of payroll is not a foreign concept by any means. I seems some fans just don't subscribe to the theory it matters.
  23. This provides revenue and some ratios. What are you attempting to prove with this graph?
  24. I am not sure what this graph represents but I doubt it's revenue given the Yankees are near the bottom.
  25. This has been proven untrue but even if it was true ... who is most able to pay the highest price? A team with $300M in revenue like the Twins or a team with $600M like the Yankees or Dodgers or even a team with a mere $100M advantage like the Phillies? It just astounds me that fans continue to complain that teams with far less revenue get outbid with teams with far more revenue. If you want to ignore the basic ability to pay. How is it not apparent that teams with half the revenue need to get twice the production per dollar spent. It's not as if we don't have examples of success in Tampa and Oakland. Spending in the same manner as large market teams is a guarantee of failure. Of course, any response to this question will not address the question of who is most able to pay.
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