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Maki had a bunch of scrap heap dudes, rookies, and scrubs and they pitched behind a largely weak defense. The man deserves better.- 51 replies
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I find it even more strange because baseball is trying to create more of a running game with rule changes. It's likely that trend continues. Why wouldn't we want to be ahead of that curve? Look at the difference it has made for Cleveland, Cincy, and Milwaukee. Those teams (well, not so much Cincy) don't have a ton of punch in their lineups put plate a lot of extra runs just by utilizing speed. We were dead last in steals Speed is an asset in the field and makes avoiding long run-scoring droughts less likely. It is my number one thing I want this organization to rethink.
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I heard Provus tell Barreiro that he asked Falvey about pinch hitting too early in games. (His example was about removing Wallner in the 5th) He stated that Falvey said they are "definitely" looking to change that approach.
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That's fair. Interestingly...even with the absolute nose dive at the end....this team still finished 11th in all of MLB in OPS. This was probably the right move, but the Twins weren't actually as bad as they were at the end. Way too streaky though.
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Dave St. Peter has been out of touch for what can only be counted in decades now rather than years. The single greatest thing the Twins could do to improve their long term outlook is fire him or shuttle him away to a corner office. Basic competence would be a massive upgrade.
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My quick math is 38M for that. The other guys are 93M. So 131M based on those projections. Cool, -1 million is plenty of room to add talent right?
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They all work.
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Well hell.....let's make it alumni row then! Anyone and everyone who could help these fools not implode every other year!
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Are there any limits on how many bench coaches you can have in MLB?
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Only Detroit from where I sit. I think the line we just played in Green Bay looks pretty damn good too. They held our pass rush in check better than anyone else has and they were opening some gaping holes against our front. I do think concerns about Bradbury getting run over alters our 4th down play calling. I guess my takeaway was...Nailor....fall your butt forward the moment you can.
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All moves like this tend to be scapegoats, but given how putrid the offense was down the stretch....I guess it's reasonable to target them. Again though...organizational philosophies need to change.
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To add to all of this: all Falvey can do is make a reasoned guess about the future when he is signing Correa to a 6 year deal. With inflation alone it would be reasonable for him to assume his spending would not have to go down. Combine that with the largely steady climb in budget AND Dave St. Peter and others publicly stating that they had a plan for broadcast revenue....there was no reason he would expect such a substantial cut. Hell, by just common sense of "We just broke a two decade curse, the stadium was buzzing, let's be a smart business and invest in this momentum" he should've expected plenty of room to operate. Instead....knee-capped. HARD. With almost no time left to act. He didn't do well with the resources and time he had, but we should all be enraged at Joe Pohlad right now. Anyone protecting them by nit-picking the payroll cut is giving them cover for the indefensible.
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I think the statement in the middle of this excellent article is the key: Say what you will about the moves made this offseason (they weren't good other than Santana) but the position they were in was completely unexpected. The FO was assuming a 150-160M payroll and the flexibility that would have came with that. Slashing the payroll took all manueverability from them and their scramble to add to the roster failed. Ownership knee-capped the franchise just when they finally had the place starting to buzz again. We talk about "winning fixes all" but this team was winning in July and nobody was showing up. The fanbase is exhausted with the Pohalds, this offseason broke them.
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For the record (focusing on the second half of your comment)....yes, I think you're right. I think if they screw up the next hire it also will have a marginally negative effect. I think we're programmed to want a head to roll as a consequence for a bad season. Or to shake things up. Or whatever other cliche. I think psychologically it can be good for a group of players even, but the net gain from that wanes over time to make very little difference. (I feel this about hockey as well FWIW. What the Wild did last year standing as a good example) If he's fired I'd shrug. If he's retained....I'd shrug. My more interested in the organizational philosophies and how they keep 130M payroll and get any better.
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The BringMetheNews debacle is even more stunning to me. I can't confirm the numbers though.
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That's a good question. If they aren't ready to move on to the kid in St. Paul....then we might be bracing for an all-time painful offseason.
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If they can't find a way to offload Vasquez.....this is going to be an ugly offseason.
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Chip Scoggins article about ownership
TheLeviathan replied to jaimedude's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Businesses sometimes take a temporary loss in order to reap rewards down the line. The Twins are actively sabotaging their fan base. I'm not suggesting this is real, but go with this for a second: If I were a conspiracy theorist and I thought "What would an organization looking to contract their team do to sabotage their fan loyalty and drive a wedge between their fans and the team?" I'm struggling to think of anything more they would do than what the 2024 Minnesota Twins have done. Slash payroll? Check. Take them off the air for viewership? Check. Ignore roster acquisitions? Check. Say ridiculous, boneheaded things out loud to the public to drive them nuts? A Right-Sized Check. End the season with a bunch of mush mouthed, phony "business" talk? Check. They did everything but triple the beer prices. -
Well, on the entire page of about 40 guys I only counted 5. That includes Ben R. as a backup catcher and 13 games in the big leagues by Goodrum this year. That list is really, really bad man. I agree there is some proving to do though. This group that is on the cusp has to hit, if we're not seeing E-Rod hitting well and Festa/Matthews/Varland/SWR/etc taking the next step (among many others) next year....then it's time to move on. I will say this with about 99% certainty though: Whenever Falvey gets fired, whoever takes over for him will have a FAR less daunting task ahead of them than he did.
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I've been very critical of their media choices when it comes to TV, but this is the right decision for radio IMO.
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Well, the entire line of conversation started because the implication is 8 years is a long time. And it can be....but it's hard not to subtract 2-3 of those years because of just how putrid the organization's talent pool was when they took over. Yeah, they had some guys at the major league level but you can't look at that 2017 list of top prospects and do anything other than cringe. The farm system was really, really bad. Organizational philosophies and outdated practices were really bad. They were essentially starting over below the big league roster, especially on the pitching side. As I said, I think they've been a bit slower than I'd like to get the pitching pipeline figured out and they've made some really bad trades. Replacing them is getting pretty easy to justify. I can also acknowledge that the organization is FAR healthier now than it was when they took over.
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I think the rest of your post is very reasonable, but I have to ask: are you seriously arguing that a minor league system headlined by Nick Gordon, Gonsalves, and the rest of those names I don't want to read....qualify as a "deep" farm system? Our organization was a wreck man. That doesn't give them a blank check by any means. The pitching development has not come along as fast as it should've, but they were trying to transform a Model T into a Tesla. System wide. I'm on the edge of saying that we should probably let them go. They are doing the opposite of what I think is wise from a value standpoint(building up hitters that they trade for pitchers, rather than building up a deep stable of pitchers they deal for hitters), but I can't be anything other than appreciative for the work they've done to drag us from bleak times of ten years ago.
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They had a few talents at the major league level, but we disagree hard about the talent in that minor league system. That list I posted is a bunch of total no-shows.
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I had higher expectations in 2011 than I did for 2024, so I lean more towards that one. That fangraphs chart shows the uncanny nature of 2024 though. So maybe 2011 was more disappointing and 2024 was more shell-shocking?
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