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  1. TheLeviathan
    I'm still encouraged by how publicly involved we have been so far, but I'm deeply disturbed that our recent decisions (and subsequent comments) seem to be taking the quantity over quality approach to starting pitching.
  2. TheLeviathan
    All Texas spent was money here. They got the better talent (check Kinslers declines in that bandbox) and all it really cost was a financial commitment. Texas wins this one IMO, but Detroit probably had no choice.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Our ever expanding pile of guys who can start games is becoming an embarrassment of riches.
  4. TheLeviathan
    First off, chill. There is no vitriol. That's absurd. I've stated I'm perplexed, befuddled, confused, etc. There isn't anyone here spewing "vitriol" so let's get off that right away. The problem is trying to make sense of this. You said yourself that Welker was basically a waste of a 40 man spot. I'd argue having 10+ starters taking up your 40 man is equally wasting 40 man spots. The problem, as I bolded above, isn't that they need "depth" - they need better pitching. Johnson isn't "better" than several guys already on the roster. He's redundant. Could he turn out to be a benefit? Sure, he might. But if the Twins are hunting for their 10th starter on the depth chart to put on the 40 man I have serious reservations about that thinking. It's not encouraging at all, in fact. Especially if you hold some hope, as I do, that there will be starters added via trade or FA. The only sense I can make of this is that they think they can waive him off the 40 man more easily than Welker and still retain him. But I don't know enough about those rules to say anything with certainty.
  5. TheLeviathan
    You made a list that contains 8 people. Right now there is no question he closer to 8 than 3 on that depth chart. This also doesn't include Darnell or any (hopefully) acquired pitchers in the FA or trade markets. So basically, he's your 10th or worse guy. And he brings very little in the way of upside. The very arguments you make about Welker being bottom of the 40 man fluff apply to this guy too. All we did was add an older version of Welker and a position we're already redundant at.
  6. TheLeviathan
    Please elaborate on this better "fit". He looks incredibly redundant to me.
  7. TheLeviathan
    Great place to rebuild value for Johnson. But lets not pretend we couldn't use him. He has huge bounce back potential, regardless of what our prospects may or may not do. Oh well, one name off the board, hope we see some action soon.
  8. TheLeviathan
    Ah, thanks, my memory betrayed me. I thought Welker was 25. Either way I feel like we're a bit overloaded at the "not really what you want to start" starting pitching position.
  9. TheLeviathan
    It's odd to me that we prefer a 30ish, journeyman starter over a young reliever. Putting aside talent or profiles, that element of this is a bit perplexing to me.
  10. TheLeviathan
    Well, that sucks. He was a guy I was really excited to see next year. Sometimes you never know what will derail a kid's timeline, it's why you can't count on these things.
  11. TheLeviathan
    As a former season ticket holder as well, I think that urge to say it stems from two things: how many times the Twins call you begging and you need to repeat it and also from your own disappointment in giving them up. The Twins don't deserve most of the season ticket money they get, but that doesn't make the choice any easier if you truly love the team. i have a feeling a lot of people like James who held on to a package just for allstar tickets are going to join the chorus of people leaving if next season doesn't offer significant progress.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Very encouraging, I think with all the Focus on our minors we have or gotten how high is ceiling still is.
  13. TheLeviathan
    I just have trouble parsing out "developed" from all these other factors, especially when you go so far as to compare them to St. Louis. 5-6 years ago I would've agreed with the assessment of our pitching development, but now? That's nostalgia more than accuracy IMO. We have earned praise for acquiring farm talent but we haven't for developing it for quite some time.
  14. TheLeviathan
    I'm a bit perplexed that we get credit for being good at developing pitching. That doesn't hold much water IMO.
  15. TheLeviathan
    I thought his reasoning for liking Tavares more was because of his success t higher levels. Which is a very valid point.
  16. TheLeviathan
    Terrible doesn't quite cover it. You could argue he was one of the worst starters in baseball (among those who didn't get cut or demoted) for that year and a half. You could make a really strong case for it. Ryan can, and has, and will make many mistakes. But dumping Liriano isn't on that list.
  17. TheLeviathan
    No, but it may slow the bleeding.
  18. TheLeviathan
    And I would totally agree. I think the mistake was not letting Ortiz go (and possibly same with Liriano) but the awful way in which is abilities were hampered by our coaching staff.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Well, after a few weeks it's clear the shutdown wasn't Obama's fault. But good god, has there been a more incompetently handled piece of legislation in recent memory? The executive branch might as well get out of a tiny car honking horns every time they arrive for a press conference.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I think far too often we assume that a player's performance one year would've been the same regardless of where he played. It's too hypothetical to be said with certainty.
  21. TheLeviathan
    This has already been answered well, but I'll put one more slight twist on what kab and JB already did such a nice job with: The Twins aren't looking to make a "large increase" in fan base and I never argued any such thing. What they need to do is maintain their current season ticket rates. (I've said as much in my posts, this isn't new) What we don't want is nosediving attendance right when our young players are coming up and most all of us agree will be an opportune time to supplement them in the open market. The stadium's luster and the all-star game's pull are gone after this year, if the Twins field another team this god-awful to watch - there could be some serious ramifications. And all of us diehards should be afraid of that because it takes time to bring people back and rebuild revenues after you burn those bridges.
  22. TheLeviathan
    Let me know when Liriano shows he's worthy of a long-term investment. Would anybody be shocked if he went out and spent the two months before he gets demoted next year digging the Pirates into a hole every time he pitches? He had a great year for us in 2010 as well, then proceeded to be arguably the worst starter in the American League for about a season and a half. So, if he implodes next year I wouldn't be shocked at all. I was tired of the inconsistency. I don't blame the Twins for being the same and it making them gun-shy to outbid anyone. I can't blame the Twins on him at all.
  23. TheLeviathan
    Agreed, but that speaks to my point. They need to maintain the paying fanbase they have. If they show apathy to their own product to the point that they start losing season ticket-holders, we will probably see them start shrinking the payroll to match it. It's important, and I think this forum is emblematic of this, that the team show their fans that they do understand that their approach to the offseason has to change. People are clamoring for it and watching closely. The Twin's investment in their own product has to match the one the community has given and is giving. If it doesn't they're going to start shrinking the paying fanbase. And, as a die-hard fan who is excited about the potential of the future, I don't want to see the shrinking that will hurt our future payroll. So good news that they showing impressive aggression early on.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Fan concerns should matter. At some point, if they don't, all that fancy new budget room is going to disappear and that long-term plan will hit some major snags. The Twins need to show themselves to be aggressive. They can do that without sinking the ship. And, as a bonus, they'll show the fans the same level of investment that they're asking for in return.
  25. TheLeviathan
    Agreed, St. Louis has everything we need in their gluts, but we have nothing to offer in return. It's disappointing for sure.
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