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Everything posted by TheLeviathan
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I wouldn't give up on the kid. I would give up on the process that seems to keep yielding these same disappointing struggles however.....whatever process that is behind the scenes.
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You pretend you are Mr. Fixit every time you troll another post to tell them they are wrong. It is implicit (at times explicit) criticism of their perspective. If you were a neutral, humble observer.....you wouldn't find so much space to hit "disagree" and critique everyone else. You don't get to go around telling everyone they're wrong and then hide behind a veil of not being an expert. That's just not a fair way to conduct discussions or engage with decency.
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That's one heck of a way to start a post that then leads to a paragraph of baseball managing critiques. It's also rich in irony from someone quick to tell everyone else they're wrong without ever having the decency to post their own thoughts. (Including, when requested specifically, right now)
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By all means....lay out your plan for the team to improve this year, next year, or by 2028 when every notable arm on the staff is set to hit free agency. You disagree with posts that state facts, downgrade fans for their opinions, and speak in generalities about the right/wrong thing to do. Maybe it's time for you to actually state an opinion rather than troll those posted by everyone else.
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What's the argument here? We should be happy our catcher is hitting like a 29 year old career minor leaguer who played for a minor league team dressed as a major league team and now is on our team thanks to a minor league deal? You got me.....I would like better than that. Guilty as charged. Especially when one of those two makes 10M on a shoestring budget.
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That's a good argument, I think I still lean Duran just because we've seen how delicate his success can be with the struggles last year. I think Jax relying on a much more balanced/nasty repertoire gives him longer staying power. However, I think reasonable folks can fall on either side of that line with good arguments. So in saying that....I wouldn't fight either way on the "right" one to deal. I would fight, however, with anyone that thinks holding on to both of them is the right move. Sometime between now and February one of them should move. IMO, with relievers, the time to do that is the deadline. On Ryan? I'd offer him 5 years and 130M and plan to deal Pablo this offseason. But if you are getting vibes as a FO that 5/130 ain't going to cut it.....then I'm absolutely willing to move now.
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I actually did. Plus my first post references the Dan Hayes article that I refwrred to.
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Dodgers Calling On Jhoan Duran And Griffin Jax
TheLeviathan replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
All fair points but there are some things worth countering with: * The Brewers waiting as long as they did....seriously hurt the return they got. Team control has a lot of value in baseball, so if you wait to make decisions until the clock is running out, you have to factor that into your return no matter how talented the player is. * The Twins don't have to suspect an injury for any particular reason....Duran is a hard thrower. Guys like him often, eventually, get hurt. Throw in the fluctuation we often see in relievers and there are valid reasons to wonder how long he can stay at this level. Think back to this time last year: he really struggled in July. He had almost as many losses as saves in July and August. (5 losses, 7 saves) There were genuine questions about whether he was alright. Right now, those questions don't exist. They might by October. *It's cute you think we'll ever have new owners. :)- 52 replies
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Dodgers Calling On Jhoan Duran And Griffin Jax
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It's so easy to love Duran and the security we mostly have closing games. But if you can't freaking get leads because your regular 9 aren't good enough....the most badass bullpen in the world isn't going to save you. Plus, this organization seems to be especially good at creating bullpen arms. Leverage that.- 52 replies
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Dodgers Calling On Jhoan Duran And Griffin Jax
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I mean....if we do nothing we won't be competitive either. What's the path to get better if not to trade some of the talent we have now?- 52 replies
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What team is going to take their number 5 hitter and offer it up for a closer in July? Like.....in what world would that ever happen?
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Week in Review: Rocky Re-entry
TheLeviathan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Duran, Jax, Ober, Lopez, and Ryan all become free agents the same year. How many do you think ownership ponies up to retain? Whatever that answer is.....the rest leave you for nothing in two seasons. You can deal them or get nothing and the longer you wait to deal them, the more their value diminishes. It's not ideal, but such is life with a budget/ownership situation like this.- 12 replies
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You haven't given a position, just vague, muddled arguments. In fact, your initial beef was with me calling it foolish and incompetent for the Twins to think they can deal Duran or Jax for a guy who is in someone else's major league lineup. I 100% stand by it. You now give me an example from Tampa that happened in the offseason, for a hitter that was not a major leaguer at that time. You also gave another example (at least this time it was a major leaguer) that happened in the offseason. Neither refute that it's foolish, in July, to think you are going to get someone's 2 hitter Randy Arozerena for Duran. That deal isn't going to happen right now and the Twins shouldn't be shutting any doors with demands like that. They can also wait and try to make that sort of a deal in the offseason, but limiting your options is a foolish way to trade.
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But you have to be somewhat realistic in what the returns will be too. There is a chance, maybe even a very good chance, that the Twins get nothing out of selling off. But what alternative is there? Let's rewind to 2021: they dealt Cruz for Ryan, Berrios for Martin and SWR, and then some guys that mostly turned into nothing except Sisk who was dealt for Michael A. Taylor. Clearly they didn't come out ahead on Berrios, but they definitely did on Cruz. The other guys were received for humans that were barely worth giving a uniform in Happ and Robles. But what else happened in 2021? Cubs got PCA for Baez. Nats got Lane Thomas for Lester. Cubs got Alcantara for Rizzo. Rangers got Duran and Smith for Gallo. Marlins got Luzardo for Marte. There were also some bad returns. (Looking at you Nats for Turner and Scherzer, among others) But what if the Twins had been in the mix with Polanco? Or Donaldson? Or Sano? Kepler? Duffy? Colome? Theilbar? Would we have desperately missed any of those guys in the last four years or might it have been nice to snag some lotto tickets we might be cashing in today? Worst case scenario......we end up with squat. But...isn't that what we got anyway? (To be clear...I'm on the "Extend Ryan, deal Lopez this offseason" train when it comes to the rotation. But we should absolutely be dealing Duran or Jax if the offers are juicy)
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Yeah, you can definitely tell what they're doing is hated by everyone and it's a complete lost cause to look at them as potentially having hit on something baseball has lost...... This post is giving up perfect vibes of this classic:
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Life guaratees almost nothing. But doing nothing? That will guarantee lost value.
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Well first off...."other than Lopez and Ryan" is one hell of a caveat. Selling got us our best pitcher and making a wise trade of Arraez got us our second best one. I mean....that's the argument right there. Sure, you misfire on guys like SWR and Martin. That trade didn't work out. You know what else is true? We'd still be sitting here in 2025 with no Berrios. Whether those guys don't contribute because they're never here, or weren't very good doesn't change that Berrios wasn't staying. The alternative is really simple: if you want to do nothing, then you will add nothing to your chances going forward. I assure you when the door closes on the 2027 season, we won't be bringing back Ober, Ryan, and Lopez. Or Jax and Duran. Some of them will be gone one way or the other. The question is when do you move the ones you don't plan to retain. Right now is when that conversation should be happening rather than when it's too late.
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What could change is having more talent for some future season. Talent is the issue. The Twins have a simple choice at this point: do nothing and have absolutely zero chance of having more talent in the years to come.....or sell and at least give yourself a half dozen young guys who might help a future team. I'm not sure why any Twins fan would pick option 1.

