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  1. TheLeviathan
    In your opinion, based on the evidence presented - what is the likely punishment Sano would be served with by the justice system? I'd guess 5th degree assault with nothing close to the maximum. If you disagree, I'm open to hearing that. But let's say he gets 30 days in jail and then resumes his baseball career for a decade. Or, we do as suggested in this very thread, and end his baseball career now for this accusation. Which of those choices do you think Sano would choose? Which would you choose? I'd gladly serve my 30 days and have my career. I would venture to guess most people would choose that as well. Yes, the jail time sucks, but not as much as the alternative. I appreciate that social media has created an environment that makes victims comfortable speaking. That's a good thing. I don't appreciate that it emboldens large groups of people, many of which are anonymous, pressuring companies, police departments, and other handlers of consequences into determining guilty decisions. That is dangerous. And it is happening. This behavior is escalating and resulting in tragic consequences not just for the accused but for their families, their co-workers, and for our very idea of justice. You should reconsider how quick you are to excuse or minimize that. Let me repeat, so I'm not twisted here: I value hearing her story. I'm glad she felt like she could tell it. I judge her truthful. I want to see the Twins and MLB investigate and assign a just consequence for Miguel Sano should their investigation confirm it warranted. And from there I step aside and watch it unfold.
  2. TheLeviathan
    Unfortunately, we've reached a point that "public judgment" can be much worse than criminal liability depending upon the crime. People have literally had their lives ruined, threatened, or put in serious danger by mere mistaken identity much less actual guilt. What you're suggesting would be ideal if true, but we should deal in reality here. Social media is a powerful force, not to be dismissed as you have done repeatedly. I'm comfortable with people making judgments based on what we know now. What I'm skeptical of is their ability to withhold their zeal for consequences until proper steps are taken so we make sure fairness is part of the process. It won't be justice unless it is. Judge away...I know I have. But then stand back and let the consequences be meted out fairly.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Social media is far more powerful than that. And is, actively, determining the consequences on a range of offenses. Judge away and if you have the self discipline to leave the consequences to the appropriate party....by all means. But that is very much not the case in most social media. It's quite naive, and unfair to the discussion, to pretend social media mobs aren't effectively determining consequences.
  4. TheLeviathan
    You keep suggesting we separate the judgment and the consequence, yet we already have evidence in this thread for how quickly that escalates. Those who are quick to determine the judgment are quick to dole out the consequences as well. And our first reactions are rarely our best ones.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Part of why our court systems "defers judgment" is so that the credibility of all parties is a matter of record. It's why we have proceedings for all sorts of crimes that can be difficult to prove. Our system needs to do a better job about the process of determining the victim's credibility (so as not to make the victim feel re-victimized) but the credibility of both is important. I'd suggest that all Van is doing is asking for is not a rush to judgment of the accused. That is a fundamental idea in our nation. One I strongly support and find crucial to true justice. I would suggest we endeavor to avoid a rush to judgment while also supporting the victim in telling their story, taking it seriously, and pursuing it's truth. This false dilemma that we can't have both due process and respect for victims is dangerously swinging back and forth in our society right now. We should all be better, and smarter, about this. (And we can start by not making Twitter our judge, jury, and executioner)
  6. TheLeviathan
    I think we should be careful not to respond to every situation as if we need to eject the perpetrator of the assault from the planet. What he did was wrong, but is it so wrong that we need to jump to such extreme measures? I'd like to think not. I believe there are unforgivable offenses, but I don't believe this is one of them. The Aroldis Chapman situation was a far worse offense IMO and 30 games was his punishment. Like it or not, the Twins have to work within that framework. We should resolve ourselves to do more to support the victim and make sure she feels justice is being accomplished without adjudicating this via social media. Our justice system, flawed as it is, is still a better medium than 140 characters. Our idea of justice is built on due process for all parties, protection for all parties from the mob, and the idea that people can learn from their mistakes. We shouldn't forget that no matter how awful an offense may be. The victim deserves due process and fair justice for what was done to her. Miguel deserves due process and, hopefully, a significant set of reprecussions for his actions. But whether he remains a Twin or not, we should also hope he comes away from this a better person who can continue to live his life as well.
  7. TheLeviathan
    Sano's behavior was unacceptable, the Twins should deal with it swiftly and severly. I hope for this woman that some justice can be found in tgose reprecussions. I hope for Sano the reprecussions teach him to be a better human being.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I hope they're not wasting time on this when they could be signing better bargains like Lynn or Cobb.
  9. TheLeviathan
    None of these lists include Brian Duensing.
  10. TheLeviathan
    Absolutely. I've always said that anyone who sells a book about parenting is a known fraud. You can't write a book on parenting. Good parenting comes down to the strengths and weaknesses of the individual parents and children. No one way is the right way for any large swath of kids. Just be fair and consistent, know yourself, and know your kids. There it is - -in a couple sentences. No book necessary. And go ahead and let them watch Thomas or Paw Patrol. They're cute and totally fine. And if you read into the subtext of kids cartoons to write editorials - get over yourself. But in all seriousness.....watch out for that sneaky **** Caillou.....
  11. TheLeviathan
    Oh definitely. But in many circles the idea that you would (rightly) call that paragraph sexist would probably lead to an army of "woke" folks endeavoring to destroy you on twitter. I do have a question for you as a fellow parent.... 1. Is this tongue in cheek? I cant tell. I want to believe it is, but the same author has an article about Thomas being racist on slate. And sentiments as absurd abound in the world of "How to" guides for parenting. So...its real right? And thus...perfect for this thread. The Apocalypse is nigh...and it aint just MAGA folks marching us there.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Among the hundreds of things that make me think less of our species in that article, the author doesnt seem to understand what fascism is. She seems to equate structure with fascism. How i have no earthly idea. This little area of the board only seems to think the right wing of politics is hurtling off the map of sanity and decency(it certainly is), but dont take your eye off the other side either. Plenty of crazy, short sighted nonsense over there too.
  13. TheLeviathan
    The real problem is Paw Patrol and Thomas the Train.
  14. TheLeviathan
    They spent one....Kalil.
  15. TheLeviathan
    Elflein was considered a Guard/Center. I loved the Elflein pick, but I'm not one to insist we have to take certain positions at certain levels. I think C and G should be addressed in the 3rd round or later. The only time I want an early lineman is a tackle and even then....I'm not sure I would any more. College lineman are just terrible by and large. As for injuries - Kalil was one of the most durable LTs in all of football until last year. We had THREE options for RT that were all gone within the first few weeks. Boone and Fusco weren't injury prone players either. So I'm not sure I buy the idea that he stocked the line with injury prone guys either. Also, I should note, I think one of the biggest changes is schematic. Zone blocking is a much better scheme in the NFL these days so the switch to that look has been a blessing. (Yet another reason to be happy Peterson is gone)
  16. TheLeviathan
    The problem was your insistence on ignoring the injuries. You crowned the Cowboys the gods of NFL roster construction for using 1sts on linemen. Have you seen the way they played when their LT went down? Those first round centers and guards didn't matter one bit as Dak Prescott was getting slaughtered. And all that took was the Cowboys losing two tackles. We were down 4 at one point! Your criticisms lacked context and fairness. This team is no different. Take out 3-6 linemen like we had last year and this line would be terrible too. Look no further than the end of that Carolina game when Elflein, Remmers, and Reiff were all out. Keenum was getting slaughtered. Your criticisms never took into consideration just how bad offensive line play is across the league. I'd venture to guess 3/4 of the team have poor lines. When there is that little talent, depth is basically impossible to have. The key to this line hasn't been some magical number of right moves (though Reiff has outplayed expectations by a long shot) - the key has been health. Health really comes down to luck unfortunately. But it was unfair to pin on Spielman a bad line when the situation the Vikings faced would have made ANY line in the NFL a sieve. You incorrectly faulted drafting 3rd and 4th round OL ( and, as far as money goes, they were spending plenty on Kalil, Smith, Mike Harris, and Phil Loadhoalt that year) as the problem, when it was just bad luck. The kind of bad luck no NFL roster survives.
  17. TheLeviathan
    Since when is a third round pick a "high draft pick"? I'm all for spending 3rd rounders on OL. Reiff was actually a moderate buy in FA, not exactly a bank busting move. What Mike has been calling for is investing nearly every first round draft pick in offensive linemen. That was, and remains, flawed thinking.
  18. TheLeviathan
    Mostly because if you call that play a TD, there will be complaining on the other end. But, IMO, as long as you allow runners so much deference for crossing the plane and then anything else goes.....that complaining should fall on deaf ears.
  19. TheLeviathan
    He's spent money on the OL before, but he was getting skewered for not spending high picks. Thing is - most high pick OL are busts now because the position isn't being prepared for the NFL game at the college level. It's a major reason why, IMO, that quality of play is down all over the league. Almost everyone has a crappy line. Even the Cowboys, who lost only one starter, went from all-world to average with one retirement and some shuffling. You're better off to draft some guy and work with him for 2-3 years and develop him into a player. Or take an athlete like Elflein and plug him into a good spot. He was right, and it's being vindicated, on spending his high pick on high-end defensive athletes and patching the OL together in FA and later rounds. The defense is elite and deep on talent, the OL is playing exceptionally well, and the coaching staff is also deep and talented. Late round OL are far more likely to contribute than late round CBs. Or late round LBs. Or late round DL. Spend your late picks on WR, OL, and RB. Spend early on CB, S, DL, LB, and QB. We might have a SB run in us precisely because of the way this team spends it's picks.
  20. TheLeviathan
    Changing the baby has to be the priority. Otherwise the fumes will lead to another catch rule written like this one.
  21. TheLeviathan
    I disagree. I think they would have ruled his turn, extension of the ball, and dive as a "football move" and called it a catch. The fact he loses control upon hitting the ground is a question of fumble or not a fumble.
  22. TheLeviathan
    Right, I don't take issue with the way it was enforced on Sunday. What I've taken issue with how it's been written since the Calvin Johnson no-TD in Chicago. And that was a long time ago. (Google that and re-live the absurdity)
  23. TheLeviathan
    What would it take? More than we have to give at this point. Maybe in a year if a few of those SPs in our system develop into having more prospect cred.
  24. TheLeviathan
    I'm not really back. In any case, that's the central problem here - the rules for being eligible to score a touchdown as a runner and a receiver are just too different. Additionally, the rules for what constitutes a catch at the 40 yard line, suddenly go out the window in the end zone. When Adam Thielen catches a drag route and goes out of bounds, he doesn't have to maintain possession back to the huddle. Or if he turns, dives, and the ball jars loose when he hits the ground we don't call it incomplete. We call it a catch and the runner is down by contact. What constitutes a catch shouldn't change based on whether or not you're in the end zone - secure, demonstrate security with some kind of football move, have two feet down in bounds. Then it's a catch.
  25. TheLeviathan
    Right call, terrible rule. Runners can get the nose across and fumble - receivers need to take the ball home with them for a week like one of those practice babies in high school without dropping it before it's a TD. One or the other needs to change.
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