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But that's not really my complaint. Criticize that relationship all you want, but cut out the purity test angle. It'll harden people towards the fringes and that's not good.
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Yes, but I'm not sure it's sustainable either. I think we are approaching a breaking point.
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People used to call Coulter and Rush and those guys the extremes as well. Until their messaging started being used by the President. What I'm talking about isn't an independent/moderate problem. It's that if you allow the loud extremes to steer the party, they'll likely steer it WAY off course. One of the things circa the early 2000s that I thought was really dangerous on the right was the invention of the "Rhino" and the demonization of independents as wishy/washy, believe-in-nothings. I hear echos of the same right now. I hope it doesn't evolve into the same kind of beast the right created.
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Sounds like part of why it was higher was because Barr is only going to count 5M against the cap. And his deal is structured so that he will be easy to cut the next couple years and the contract only escalates several years down the road. (With almost none of it guaranteed by that point) I am worried that we appear to be angling towards drafting another kicker.
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It absolutely does. In fact, that toxin I think was brought up by right wing radio and infected Republicans. I'd rather the same not happen to the other party too.
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I think all of these problems sound better than what looked like it would happen during his term.
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He had to spend a significant amount of political capital saving the economy. He isn't perfect, but he saw us through what could've been a calamity, got the economy humming, and still got something done on healthcare. That's A LOT.
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Um....he basically oversaw the saving of the economy? You may want to start with not expecting any democrat, regardless of their policies, of being able to ride in on their white horse and doing more than Obama. That's an unfair expectation of any of them and of Obama.
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Same boat Ben, I have actually applied for the 10 year forgiveness. I don't expect to see a dime of it despite dedicating my life to helping others. I have counted on a promise to do right by me over the length of my loans that will go unfulfilled. Zero interest, 30k, etc......these all sound like things easily pulled out from under people in the name of cost cutting. Meanwhile, the problem was never solved and we're back at square one again.
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It's important how we explore that then. I'd like to move the general conversation further left, but I'd rather leave the meat of policy moving for AFTER we win. I'm all about Republican losses - the fact that every new candidate gets a public leftist purity test really, really bugs me. And it works against Republicans losing, it does their work for them.
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And therein lies the rub, without a one time solution you leave the problem to fester while you hope future administrations do right by it.
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True, my nothing statement was hyperbole. It is merely a patch after we already hit the iceberg IMO.
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I think many of our recent discussions have shown a taste of a loud, large number of people who care more about pushing left over winning. Or at least have their priorities lined up that way.
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Meant nationally, not here on the forum. I share your question which seems based in curiosity. Nationally I feel that question is something of a trap.
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For those people for whom paying off the loans doesn't even look possible, does 40% of impossible make it better? And to use Smerf's example, he's save about $300 a month and pay it off when he's 50 (or whatever). That's better....but I guess I'm not a fan of half-measures. I won't let some stupidity stop me from doing something that's right for a LOT of people.
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100%, I want nothing even approaching a bailout without fundamental changes. I want the loan program eliminated for all but a tiny fraction of people who need it the most. I want tight regulations on the cost of colleges. I want free college for trade schools and other options that keep their prices low. One without the other is not a solution either IMO. We start by hammering universities for their predatory behavior and set a new normal. Then we right the wrongs.
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How does it change current monthly payments and pay-off period?
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Let's back up a second - you can't post this paragraph and truly believe it. You want to fix healthcare...but tons of money in healthcare are tied up in paying for the stupid decisions of people. Child care? Don't even get me started. Social welfare? All major government programs come with the poison pill that ass-hats will benefit from their own stupid decision making. That can't be a reasonable impediment. Frankly, that's a crap argument.
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Yes, I probably did a poor job framing that as adding to your point. I think people have to understand it can be a decade or more before you are even hitting the principle on these.
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25k on a 100k loan does what? Means you pay it off at 50 instead of 55? That's not a solution, no matter how much make-up you put on that pig. And that's for the current state of things, it will get worse. The generational yoke we're under now is stifling the economy and that yoke is only getting heavier.
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Well said on the last paragraph. I would say to the first paragraph, it isn't just the "first several years", for most it's the first decade or more. (But yes, a clear part of the problem)
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What you're suggesting does not fix the problem. Since when are you about token efforts that sound good on paper but do nothing? You ignore that what you suggest does nothing. Nothing. Fixes nothing. Helps no one. That's the point of my analogy. You do something temporary, to make you feel like you're helping, but the problem persists. That's not a solution. And not the kind I'm accustomed to you advocating.
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He comes out and the first question is "Is he liberal enough" and not "can he win" = why we are likely to get four more years of Trump.
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Handing a homeless vet $5 might be enough to pat yourself on the back too but it doesn't fix the problem. What you and Smerf are suggesting is a patch, it's not a fix. Also, I believe that economically a student loan bailout (and subsequent reworking of the system to prevent it from happening again) would help fix a number of economic issues. Far more than, say, 2 trillion going to rich people. It would help many families pay for child care and health care. And it's not a long term social cost. It's one time, wipe the slate clean, start over. It's essentially a nation-wide bankruptcy. Or, like I keep saying, let people declare bankruptcy like we do ALL OTHER FREAKING TIMES!!!!!
