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Game Thread: Twins @ Mets, 4/10 @ 6:05pm CT
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Game Thread: Twins @ Mets, 4/10 @ 6:05pm CT
TheLeviathan replied to Squirrel's topic in Archived Game Threads
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There is so much talent in the O-line in this draft I hope they're willing to package their second rounder with something to move up. If we could land two guys from the group of Dillard, Ford, Bradbury, Risner, etc. - I would feel really good about this team.
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I have no problem sliding back to net 2nd or 3rd rounders...but 6ths and 7ths? Blech.
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All these depth guys means we won't be so enamored with trading back for 7th round picks though! Maybe.....
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You are still stuck on the symptoms. Had everyone always been treated the same, or near the same, the situation may be different. Instead several generations of black men and women were enslaved and then kept repressed. You simply can't recover from that immediately and the problems you cite are aftershocks of that wrong. We should all be on board helping to right that wrong.
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It seems like you're drawing a conclusion about what "is" (systemic racism) based upon your willingness to help. That is fallacious thinking. And here's the thing...no one is asking you to "act" differently. Just to help make the world a better, fairer place.
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They were victims. For several centuries directly and indirectly for another century after that. (At the very least) That's what Black Lives Matter means - we need to pay attention to the unique set of wrongs done to this group of people and the lasting ramifications and ongoing trials that puts them through. What white privilege is, is the recognition that there are challenges and obstacles you don't have to face simply by being white. It's not something you have to apologize for, just recognize. As Korver said, it's not about feeling guilty, it's about feeling responsible about helping to make it better. You can't be part of that unless you are willing to recognize that the long list of exceptions you made are irrelevant in the vast array of unfairness black people have to navigate every day. Yes, we shouldn't be celebrating victimhood. But we can't expect people still being victimized to be able to fix it themselves. If they could....they likely wouldn't be victims at all. Black men and women need our help to rise above the wrongs of the past. I'd suggest to you that step one of that for you is to recognize your help is needed for a very real problem. One that the kind of minimization you and so many others engage in makes worse.
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Yeah, I certainly don't have the nuances of it. I've heard it bandied about as an option and it intrigues me. The inheritance issue has similar issues. What if a child is about to lose a major stake in a company their father built, but they help run? Or it was wealth they helped build they are inheriting? I don't know how you'd determine which people did or did not have a role in that and certainly many children get their inheritance passed down to them in the form of things other than liquid assets. I feel like we agree in spirit on an avenue of wealth equality that is untapped, but I'll be the first to admit I don't know nearly enough to formulate a detailed plan for how to attack that issue.
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Totally agree. So can you elaborate on why you don't think a steady tax on wealth is worse than taxing inheritance when it is passed on? I'd like to think we could go to a system where income taxes could be eliminated or greatly reduced in that world. We want money in the system, not stagnant. Right?
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I get the sense you don't know what white privilege is. (Understandable...it's not well argued) You also, clearly, have no idea what kind of world young black men grow up in. If you want to be educated, you can ask, but you're going to have to come in humble.
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Whoa, I said "We" as in the national conversation. I'll try again though, maybe I came off in a way I didn't intend. I'm not sure you really did distinguish inheritance. Wealthy people give their wealth away to colleges, charities, their children, etc. All of it was earned at some point by someone and where it goes upon their death is typically orchestrated by the person who earned it. In addition, studies I've read indicate that most all wealth is derived from wealth. My wife and I work hard, but we had the privilege of some wealth to support our actions. I'm sure you and Brock did as well. It doesn't diminish our accomplishments, but we should recognize that the only thing that separates us from the super wealthy is our starting point and ending point. Our motivations are largely similar. So my point is that distinguishing "inheritance" as some separate issue isn't as easy as presented. We're still talking about wealth that was deliberately accumulated over a life time that the accumulator has a plan for. And, likely, would rather not part with. So let me ask differently - what is different about a constant tax on forms of wealth (we can debate which ones certainly) versus a one time tax on inherited money? It seems to me we're pulling from the same pot, I'm just suggesting we do so more regularly.
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What's to stop Brock from eventually turning his equity into someone else's inheritance? We demonize inheritance, but at the end of the day it's not terribly different than other wealth. Someone accumulated it with a purpose and probably with some degree of personal sacrifice. If I never spend my savings, it'll some day go to my boys. The wealth my wife and I accumulate will pass on to them as well. We consciously do less for ourselves now, to help them later. It should be noted, taxing wealth throughout one's life reduces some of that ungodly inheritance too.
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I guess I'd ask how "inheritance" is any different than wealth in many situations? In Brock's example, I'm sure some of that equity he's saved up has a purpose for him. At some point, when we talk about taxes, we are talking about taking the money people are creating for themselves for a purpose. We like to think rich people should be immune to feeling hurt by that, but it's still something they worked for and we're taking it from them. Whether that's 200k or 200 million, it has personal stake. So I'm not sure how we avoid that whether we are taxing wealth or income. But I know this, almost all income earned is done so by a contribution to the economy. That is not the case for wealth. At the end of the day, we want money being used to enhance the economy and taxing wealth might stimulate more of that to happen. And, to be totally up front, this is an idea I've started to latch on to so I'm by no means convinced of it myself. I've started to warm to it because it feels more progressive as a tax form than income taxes. I don't want to take Brock's equity, that feels misapplied, but I do want to nail people who sit on billions of dollars and use those billions of dollars to protect their billions against the rest of us.
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I hope that's not the case. I appreciate your input. Just ignore those who can't separate from their tribe. The rest of us are cool cats.
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Yup, it's money no longer facilitating the economy. It's why I dig taxing wealth as well.
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What do you mean by dumbing it down?
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Personally, I like the ideas floating around about taxing wealth more than income. And taxing the hell out of income earned via the stock trading game or anything of that ilk. The simple truth is that the very wealthy have ways around taxes. I'd love it if we taxed them more and started finding ways to kill those loopholes. Perhaps wealth instead of income is the way to do that?
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I agree with your post ash, but I took Van's point not that we shouldn't tax the rich more, just that it's not a silver bullet. Perhaps I'm wrong, that's sorta where I stand at least.
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I understand this position. It's probably even correct. Then I watch Casto take an at-bat and want to burn you at the stake.
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I lived there for 6 years and married a fine gal from those parts. When we were making our decision to move we were choosing between Minneapolis, Chicago, and Phoenix. The cost of living and taxes basically eliminated Chicago immediately from our list.
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I'm not sure that's the lesson to take. I think the deeper lesson is about how punting budget decisions and hard choices down the line will eventually catch up.... But from my time in Chicago, they all accept this reality and grumble about it. Try being an Illinois tax-payer outside of Chicago though....
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Or he believes you can value truth and think Trump is a vile human being without having to invent reasons for it. Not policing rhetoric on the right is what got us Trump. Self-righteously sitting here, defending a blatant, deliberate mischaracterization is something you should be ashamed of. Politics should come after truth and decency. There once was a time I thought a statement so non-controversial might penetrate your adulation for your own politics. I know I'm spitting in the wind...but sometimes the hopeless optimist in me wins out. With that, I'm going to respond to Vanimal.
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It doesn't make sense to me to send down the 15th or 16th best guy so we can protect the 24th. We can quibble about where guys would rank but I hope you see my point. By every measure - Castro is not a good hitter. Even for a catcher. Seems to me, the best way to have the best record you can over 162 games is to play the best players. Austidillo needs to play and catcher seems like the best spot. If we have to ditch Castro to do that....so be it.
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It's not just this season. Castro has a well established record as a below average hitter, even for a catcher. I like to roll with upside and Castro has absolutely zero upside. Our other two options have much, much more. (And considerably more downside, but I'm ok with that)
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