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  1. TheLeviathan
    And the Dodgers might have kept talking to the Twins because people they were offering may have been close to bridging the gap. They may have been holding on to the Forsythe deal in their back pocket until they felt like they had bridged as far as possible and gave up. And the Twins might well have helped them bridge that but in the end both sides wouldn't budge. None of us know. The only things we know are that Dozier and DeLeon were the principle pieces and they couldn't agree on the rest of the trade. Anything further is speculation. There is a wide range of possibilities that may have been on the table. As I said at the outset.
  2. TheLeviathan
    I was stating what my objective would have been. Whether it was possible or not, I don't know. But I would've fought tooth and nail to try. There were several reports early that stated we came out demanding DeLeon and Bellinger. Which is asking for too much. WAY too much. We don't know if we ever budged off of that any more than we know what the Dodgers were willing to add. I sure hope we did.
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    I don't consider "junk" very clear. The only thing it makes clear is that secondary pieces were discussed. We don't know what they were. I may not be so willing to concede that they are in fact "junk" depending upon who it was. You seem to have taken that second-hand speculation as fact, I take only the fact that there were discussions of secondary pieces away. Without knowing who they are, I won't just conclude that they are junk. It could be the expectations were unrealistic. (Which, again, we know was also true at the outset)
  4. TheLeviathan
    I guess I'd call that "stupidity" and not "rebuilding".
  5. TheLeviathan
    Sure, 99.9% certainty. Morosi and many others have reported a package. But it's misleading to keep framing this as a 1:1 deal we turned down. That isn't what happened.
  6. TheLeviathan
    Wouldn't a team full of close players who aren't there yet be the definition of a rebuild? That's if I even accept that they are "close"
  7. TheLeviathan
    I guess I'd like to see May stay on the mound before I say that. Ditto Chargois. And even if I granted 4 guys, that's a third of a pitching staff. Looks like plenty of building room to me.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I never said I would've been better, it was a hypothetical man. C'mon. I was simply remarking that in their shoes I don't take 1:1, but I work like crazy to figure out the rest. Everyone is speculating because none of us know what the deal was. It was a package of multiple players, we only know one of them. Who the rest are depends on how literally or loosely you choose to interpret the word "junk" IF that's even true. Part of being a GM and making trades is gamesmanship and negotiation. I hope we were doing a good job with this, but I suspect their was too much stubbornness on both sides.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Cespedes did not qualify, Fullmer was never ranked that highly. Upton returned Delgado but he was a year removed from being on the prospect list, though he had been on it around the same area in 2011. (The deal happened in 2013) If you're trying to find an exactly parallel deal you probably won't, the key to look for is how often propsect talent of that magnitude is moving for any hitter and then approximate Dozier compared to that hitter. The problem is that other than Lucroy, that hasn't happened. And that's not hyperbole, it's just not happening. Virtually every deal I looked at netted guys in the 50-100 range.
  10. TheLeviathan
    The pitching staff sure looks like a rebuild to me. I see Berrios (hopefully) and a bunch of guys.
  11. TheLeviathan
    Well, I guess we'll find out about JDL won't we? He's one of the ten(ish) best pitching prospects in all of baseball, we may very well have just turned down a #2. Or a bust. Time will tell. But he was a top ten(ish) pitching prospect by many accounts. Good luck finding another offer with that on the table.
  12. TheLeviathan
    It was not a 1:1 swap. "junk" doesn't tell me much other than, with 100% certainty, 1:1 was never being discussed. So, please, let's stop ever saying this was 1:1. We don't know what the "junk" was or the rest of the package, all we can say is there was a package headlined by JDL that the Twins didn't feel was enough. But that is a wide range of possibilities.
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    Denied? No, I don't think so. Dramatically underappreciated the need? God yes. And I would argue we could retain Dozier and still end up "wasting" him. In fact, I'd argue retaining him is most likely to end in us wasting that asset. (And we've been over the fact that I wouldn't just give him away, but I'd have found a way to make that deal happen with DeLeon)
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    Everyone who pitches the ball? So....half the roster?
  15. TheLeviathan
    This team needs a #2 starter more than it needs two Brian Doziers. Has the off-season caused us to forget that you also have to stop the other team from scoring too?
  16. TheLeviathan
    Which would be a good bet. When gunnathor tried to offer examples of top 40 prospects moved for hitters only one was straight up (Lucroy) and both of the other deals included a valuable arm in the deal as well. If we're going to exceed an offer with DeLeon, you can almost bet it won't be with Dozier by himself. If it happens at all.
  17. TheLeviathan
    What do you mean by "more highly regarded". I would characterize the love/hate swings on Berrios and DeLeon as pretty similar.
  18. TheLeviathan
    I don't know what else was offered with DeLeon but I'm 100% sure it wasn't a 1:1 swap.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Understanding prospect bust rates is exactly why i wanted Dozier dealt! We simply don't have enough upside young pitching in our organization.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I genuinely hope this doesn't blow up in our face. I'm also going to be far from shocked if it does.
  21. TheLeviathan
    Dude. We're going to lead the league in 9-8 losses. Probably in 10-7 losses as well. C'mon....chin up!
  22. TheLeviathan
    He's improved his agility and reflexes dodging legos strewn on the floor? It really should be an olympic event.
  23. TheLeviathan
    I came in with low expectations and still managed to get surprised by how bad the list is.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Yeah, really bothersome. And toss in some of the Benny Hill-like defense we saw the last few years and people are really going to dismiss the value of defense? That Polanco can out-hit his defensive performance? It's when you hear stuff like that, that I start to wonder how people are forming their opinions. It's ok to admit your favorite team is making a mistake. And this infield could be a major mistake.
  25. TheLeviathan
    We should start a thread trying to predict what miracle elixir will be written about for Mauer this spring. I'm going with Pilates.
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