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  1. TheLeviathan
    That's my point. That it's rarely "simple". I'm not talking about formal sexual harassment proceedings in a court or a company. Please read context. This conversation started when Carole responded to my suggestion that sometimes interactions are not meant to cause harm, but stem from a host of human reasons from being awkward, to emotional, to stupid, to drunk, to misreading signals, to just plain poor phrasing. We shouldn't blur all interactions where one party feels something inappropriate happened into one big pile that we tar, feather, and banish. None of those reasons make the person inherently awful. And few of us would be safe from condemnation if such a standard was leveled against us all. Nick, in an effort to prove how easy it is to avoid being inappropriate used one of the most common masquerades in the workplace to make a sexual comment come off as a compliment. Should we tar, feather, and banish Nick? Probably not. I'd vote no, but I'm the one trying to have nuance here, so I'm not sure I get a vote. Yes, many creeps masquerade their comments behind awkwardness. They also masquerade them behind compliments. Figuring out whether someone is a creep or just had a bad moment is important. Otherwise all we'll generate out of this is confusion, when we should be striving to act better as human beings. (And especially as men)
  2. TheLeviathan
    Not really. How many links would you like from feminists decrying the male tendency to comment on their appearance at work? If you do a few quick google searches you'll see I literally have dozens of them at my disposal. Do I think it's "sexual harassment" in every instance. Probably not. Do I think it toes an awfully fuzzy line between appropriate and inappropriate? Hell yes. Which goes against this bizarre notion of how "simple" the distinctions are. To put it in Carole's terms: "I like your dress/pants/blouse" is frequently nothing more than a masquerade.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Alcohol is an unfortunate part of this equation as well. That's not an excuse, just a reality. We keep trying to simplify this, but that's really naive IMO. If the bar for being tarred, feathered, and banished to some island is to have, at any point just one time, said something taken as inappropriate.....few of us will survive such a test. We have all looked the other way when someone said it too, which doesn't seem much better. Or we ourselves have done it through some combination of stupidity, awkwardness, drunkeness, poor phrasing, poor taste, misread signals, or any number of other things that happen. Humans are complicated beings and when you throw in the complications of sex, emotion, language, office politics, being young, being poorly parented, or any other number of factors.....well, I think I feel safe saying this isn't "simple". That isn't to say we shrug our shoulders and move on. Far from it, it's precisely because it's so complicated that it will take extra time and effort to improve. Pretending it's simple only makes solving it more cumbersome. And, as I said at the beginning, it isn't the blurring that what was said wasn't wrong. It can be wrong, but that person who is wrong for being awkward deserves a different response than the person who forces you to have sex with them to keep your job. That can't be blurred and frequently is in this conversation.
  4. TheLeviathan
    Well...it has on college campuses. I would encourage you to read that author's entire series. I think some of the lessons we can take away from that well-intentioned, but misguided attempt to be "tough on sexual assault" are illuminating to this conversation. I have been in and around enough relationships to know that things are rarely simple when we mix flawed human beings, emotions, and sex. It's worth keeping in mind as we discuss this because we should make sure we don't blur lines between abhorrent sexual assault and some awkward schmuck who tries and fails at a pick-up line.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Earlier you had brought up the college campus rules and we should be careful about those. They demand continuous consent, which opens the door to the possibility that consent can be given and later regretted. Which is a weird grey zone and it does happen. This author has a rather interesting series on the matter, and I think many of the concerns she raises are applicable in some of the "me too" cases. Whether you agree or not, they seem to be worth considering. We like to pretend that these matters are clear cut - and on many of them they are - but any time two humans interact there are a lot of possibilities for confusion or misunderstanding. It's in the nature of our interactions unfortunately. We should strive to be better, but we also have to be realistic in our hindsight.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I hope they're not wasting time on this when they could be signing better bargains like Lynn or Cobb.
  7. TheLeviathan
    I hope those that deliberately and unnecessarily complain about this have many opportunities to do so. That'd be a good thing for the Twins.
  8. TheLeviathan
    Which is why I said we should play some more and see if they can continue this. I hope they do, but the time to make the decision about contention isn't now.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Hell, all we have to do is stop playing Kansas City and we're a sub .500 team. The price to play right now is likely so high, it's best to ride this out another month and see where we stand.
  10. TheLeviathan
    I think the term "ace" is one of the most over-blown, largely empty phrases we use in baseball. He's pitching well right now....that's good and that's about all we can really say.
  11. TheLeviathan
    If we deal Dozier again we should at least wait until (if) he heats up. And not for bullpen help. We missed the boat this offseason, in a big way, on that.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Yup, I like analytics, but sometimes the zeal makes me wonder if I've just missed passing by the Church of WAR or something. But I'm guessing they'd settle on a less problematic name....
  13. TheLeviathan
    We get to be extremely confident we're right until we're wrong. Then we get to go back to being extremely confident again. Analytics! (Relax boys, there is a kernel of truth in it but relax nonetheless. No one is impugning your analytics, just mocking your use a bit)
  14. TheLeviathan
    I've always been a bit of a fanboy of Rosario. He provides a really tantalizing blend of defense, speed, and power. It's awesome to see him putting it together this year.
  15. TheLeviathan
    Clearly he's advanced a lot since.....ah the hell with it. Glad he's up, it's about time, we don't have to hear any more stupid reasoning for why he's down there, and now we get to see this kid pitch. Let's hope it's the last time he sees AAA for a long, long time. (If ever)
  16. TheLeviathan
    http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/nope.gif
  17. TheLeviathan
    Yeah, I generally think these sorts of things are a bad idea, but I'm on board. Pay the man.
  18. TheLeviathan
    It's too bad we couldn't con someone into taking Inflated Dozier. Maybe he has a July binge coming, let's hope.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Better than nothing I guess.
  20. TheLeviathan
    But on topic, it was nice to see a jubilant Joe Mauer!
  21. TheLeviathan
    Of course! When it's an accident, then I totally understand. Otherwise, don't see the point.
  22. TheLeviathan
    Well that's sort of the point. Their thinking is absurdly stupid. You tried to assert it was some sort of clear delineation along lines of spontaneity vs intent. It's not that at all. It's more like as soon as the game is final exuberant displays of emotion that would otherwise be construed as deliberate attempts to show people up are ignored. That's the real truth. I'm happy for Mauer and, as a fan, his joy is awesome to watch. As I find clutch playoff grand slam celebrations awesome to watch too. I'm just not arbitrarily picking and choosing.
  23. TheLeviathan
    I loved Joe's walkoff and I love the emotion of it BTW. But in doing so I'm staying entirely consistent. If you get pissy at Bautista but love this you're being a hypocrite or short sighted or a homer. But you aren't being consistent.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Guys spontaneously show emotion and passion all the time and get drilled for it. Hell, guys do things accidently (like slides and HBP) and people get drilled for it. Suggesting the difference is intent vs spontaneity is absurd.
  25. TheLeviathan
    For reasons no rational brain can figure out.....walk-offs are allowed to be a mosh pit of exuberance. But only this. http://thestagnantfilipino.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Stupidity-And-Beyond.jpg
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